happythoughts 0 #1 February 14, 2008 Otter Bite is that nasty shoulder impact on the tail side of the door. A lot of times, there are 3 in the door on an Otter and then they all try to cut the corner. Then, the pilot-side diver pushes the tail-side diver into the door frame. I've seen a lot of shoulder injuries from that. If the front divers come straight out, they really don't lose any time. With a good exit, they get to the formation just as fast. It never hurts to remind people on the ground. It is handy knowledge to mention to new people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MajorDad 0 #2 February 14, 2008 Quote [snip] It is handy knowledge to mention to new people. Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,621 #3 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote [snip] It is handy knowledge to mention to new people. Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! The one who cuts the corner is usually not the one pushed into the door frame.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MajorDad 0 #4 February 14, 2008 I know. The sarcasm was intended (its been a weird day!) Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 8 #5 February 14, 2008 Otter? Is that the big one with a couple a engines? We don't see none of them 'round these 'er parts. Maybe I can get a "cessna Bite." Ya know, like, that little red lump you get on your ass from accidentally sitting on the seatbelt hookup for 30+ minutes on the way up..... =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #6 February 14, 2008 Sometimes even after repeated coaching of the front diver to launch out instead of down, they still fail to get the concept. When this occurs and I am unable to secure a different slot than rear diver for myself, I find launching forward HARD, driving the center diver into the forward diver and thus driving the forward diver into the forward door frame, seems to solve the issue. I've never had it take more than one exit with the above technique to effect change. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #7 February 14, 2008 Agreed! A little right-hand shove on the center diver fixes the problem pronto. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #8 February 14, 2008 Quote ...Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! Great idea! They get a first-hand look of what happens when someone cuts the corner. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 197 #9 February 14, 2008 last summer I had a Caravan bite my poptop. Very strange sensation to be stopped dead in the door by your reserve PC. Spent the first 5 or 10 seconds trying to figure out if my rig was alright Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fastphil 0 #10 February 14, 2008 otter should be checked for rabies... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #11 February 14, 2008 Quote Agreed! A little right-hand shove on the center diver fixes the problem pronto. Yeah, I try to expect the unexpected, so I try to be "difficult" to push. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SWATcop 0 #12 February 15, 2008 QuoteA lot of times, there are 3 in the door on an Otter and then they all try to cut the corner. Then, the pilot-side diver pushes the tail-side diver into the door frame. I've seen a lot of shoulder injuries from that. I got a VERY nasy door bite down my ribs and hip two week ago after getting forced into the trail edge of the otter door and I'm still hurtin. Great post.Kevin Muff Brother #4041 Team Dirty Sanchez #467 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #13 February 15, 2008 At Perris we call them "Shark Bites". ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #14 February 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteA lot of times, there are 3 in the door on an Otter and then they all try to cut the corner. Then, the pilot-side diver pushes the tail-side diver into the door frame. I've seen a lot of shoulder injuries from that. I got a VERY nasy door bite down my ribs and hip two week ago after getting forced into the trail edge of the otter door and I'm still hurtin. Great post. Just a note for the people who don't know you, you are a pretty good sized guy. This isn't just a problem for the 100 lb girl. It happens for 200 lb guys too. When the 100 lb person gets tossed into tail-side diver by the prop blast, it will still hurt the biggest person. They need to understand that good technique will get them to the formation just as fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 8 #15 February 16, 2008 Quote At Perris we call them "Shark Bites". ltdiver Yeah, but only if it happens on Shark Air or Super Blue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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MajorDad 0 #2 February 14, 2008 Quote [snip] It is handy knowledge to mention to new people. Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #3 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote [snip] It is handy knowledge to mention to new people. Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! The one who cuts the corner is usually not the one pushed into the door frame.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #4 February 14, 2008 I know. The sarcasm was intended (its been a weird day!) Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #5 February 14, 2008 Otter? Is that the big one with a couple a engines? We don't see none of them 'round these 'er parts. Maybe I can get a "cessna Bite." Ya know, like, that little red lump you get on your ass from accidentally sitting on the seatbelt hookup for 30+ minutes on the way up..... =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 February 14, 2008 Sometimes even after repeated coaching of the front diver to launch out instead of down, they still fail to get the concept. When this occurs and I am unable to secure a different slot than rear diver for myself, I find launching forward HARD, driving the center diver into the forward diver and thus driving the forward diver into the forward door frame, seems to solve the issue. I've never had it take more than one exit with the above technique to effect change. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #7 February 14, 2008 Agreed! A little right-hand shove on the center diver fixes the problem pronto. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #8 February 14, 2008 Quote ...Don't you put the new people in the suicide position? They learn faster that way not to cut the corner!! Great idea! They get a first-hand look of what happens when someone cuts the corner. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #9 February 14, 2008 last summer I had a Caravan bite my poptop. Very strange sensation to be stopped dead in the door by your reserve PC. Spent the first 5 or 10 seconds trying to figure out if my rig was alright Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastphil 0 #10 February 14, 2008 otter should be checked for rabies... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #11 February 14, 2008 Quote Agreed! A little right-hand shove on the center diver fixes the problem pronto. Yeah, I try to expect the unexpected, so I try to be "difficult" to push. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWATcop 0 #12 February 15, 2008 QuoteA lot of times, there are 3 in the door on an Otter and then they all try to cut the corner. Then, the pilot-side diver pushes the tail-side diver into the door frame. I've seen a lot of shoulder injuries from that. I got a VERY nasy door bite down my ribs and hip two week ago after getting forced into the trail edge of the otter door and I'm still hurtin. Great post.Kevin Muff Brother #4041 Team Dirty Sanchez #467 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #13 February 15, 2008 At Perris we call them "Shark Bites". ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 February 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteA lot of times, there are 3 in the door on an Otter and then they all try to cut the corner. Then, the pilot-side diver pushes the tail-side diver into the door frame. I've seen a lot of shoulder injuries from that. I got a VERY nasy door bite down my ribs and hip two week ago after getting forced into the trail edge of the otter door and I'm still hurtin. Great post. Just a note for the people who don't know you, you are a pretty good sized guy. This isn't just a problem for the 100 lb girl. It happens for 200 lb guys too. When the 100 lb person gets tossed into tail-side diver by the prop blast, it will still hurt the biggest person. They need to understand that good technique will get them to the formation just as fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #15 February 16, 2008 Quote At Perris we call them "Shark Bites". ltdiver Yeah, but only if it happens on Shark Air or Super Blue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
