dzjunky77 0 #1 February 11, 2008 Hey all! I'm new to this forum and had a question? I would like to jump in Cody, WY and see they don't have a DZ! Any advice on how to go about getting someone with a plane?? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #2 February 11, 2008 planning a demo??? there lots more to it than just " getting someone with a plane" ...and ANyone who simply HAS a plane, and is willing to let you jump out of it,,, sounds sketchy,, at best... barnstorming ended ,,, decades ago...lots involved in simply "making a jump" best to search for a dz somewhere nearby,,,,with professional pilots and regular skydiving aircraft...and then make some jumps THERE, so that your abilities can be evaluated and taken into consideration.... safety first,,,, and what the hell,,, safety second, as well.. jmy a 3914 d 12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #3 February 11, 2008 What are the FAA rules? Is it legal to jump out of somebody's C-182 if they let you and whether they nor the plane is a jump plane/pilot? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 February 11, 2008 QuoteWhat are the FAA rules? Is it legal to jump out of somebody's C-182 if they let you and whether they nor the plane is a jump plane/pilot? I'm not a pilot but I remember something about requiring the plane to be certified for flying with the door off, or configured to open up, not out."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #5 February 11, 2008 QuoteHey all! I'm new to this forum and had a question? I would like to jump in Cody, WY and see they don't have a DZ! Any advice on how to go about getting someone with a plane?? Thanks! You need to be more clear on what you are asking. It's actually pretty easy to get a small aircraft (high-wing Cessna for example) legal to drop jumpers....ie. door removal paperwork. Pilot doesn't need a commercial rating if he's not getting paid. (good luck on that) Local fisdo for the paperwork regarding where and when you plan to jump. I do it all the time....BUT~ Without any info in your Bio...I don't know if doing that would be a good idea. What do you want to do...fun jump a weekend at the airport or a demo in town? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AUSkyguy 0 #6 February 11, 2008 Hell you don't have to take the door off, Just squeeze out and be careful of your handles/ hackey or pullout I've done it numerous times, but i don't recommend it really the only problems you would run into are needing a commercial rated pilot (if he's getting paid OR receiving any compensation) and you need to file a NOTAM with the FAA (call the Air traffic control that is responsible for your area) -Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 February 11, 2008 Does a NOTAM have to be filed in all classes of airspace? Remember he's in Wyoming, a state notable chiefly for its lack of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 February 11, 2008 Quote Hell you don't have to take the door off, Just squeeze out and be careful of your handles/ hackey or pullout I've done it numerous times, but i don't recommend it really the only problems you would run into are needing a commercial rated pilot (if he's getting paid OR receiving any compensation) and you need to file a NOTAM with the FAA (call the Air traffic control that is responsible for your area) If you wanna be legal you need to remove it, with appropriate paperwork IN THE PLANE. Squeezing out is cool...unless ya get caught, either on the door of by the Feds. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjunky77 0 #9 February 11, 2008 I'm actually gonna drop into my Mothers field with a friend of mine that has 405 jumps! I justed wanted to find out how to find a pilot and plane to do this! It can be done I've seen it before! Just wanted some advice!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AUSkyguy 0 #10 February 11, 2008 I'm not sure, but i don't think a NOTAM is dependent on airspace class, anyways they are really easy to file so i would at least advise calling the Air traffic control and talking to them-Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjunky77 0 #11 February 11, 2008 LOL!! Lack of people and DZ's!! Well no DZ's at that!! Only problem I see is the very windy weather in the summer time!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #12 February 11, 2008 QuoteI'm actually gonna drop into my Mothers field with a friend of mine that has 405 jumps! I just wanted to find out how to find a pilot and plane to do this! It can be done I've seen it before! Just wanted some advice!! Your best bet would probably be to go where the pilots hang out and start asking....try an airport or a brothel. How many jumps do YOU have? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #13 February 11, 2008 >If you wanna be legal you need to remove it . . . Is that really a legal requirement? I used to practice opening doors in a C152 both as a way to practice closing them in flight, and once (as an exercise) to increase drag. Instructor I was working with said there were no regulatory issues doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #14 February 11, 2008 That's a good point! idonotknow, other than I was told by the Sacramento FISDO last year the flying with the door open 'or' off required said paperwork. Since we were going to pull it, I never did check the exact wording. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjunky77 0 #15 February 12, 2008 As far as I know there is no requirements!! Just trying to find out how to find someone who will let us jump from there plane!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #16 February 12, 2008 From AC 105-2c (back of SIM) (emphasis added) 23.AIRCRAFT OPERATING AND AIRWORTHINESS REQUIREMENTS A. Procedure. Owners or operators of aircraft listed in Appendix 2, who are interested in obtaining authoriza- tion and operating limitations for these aircraft to be flown with the door open or removed, should forward a written request to the FSDO having jurisdiction over the area in which these operations are to be conducted. The request should contain the following information: 1. Name and address of the registered owner(s) of the aircraft. 2. Make, model, serial, and registration numbers of the aircraft. 3. Place where the aircraft is normally based. 4. Reason the aircraft is to be operated with a door open or removed. === Surprised me; I've jumped out of Cessnas with a conventional door on, and even jumped an Aztec or Apache once through the baggage door. (Note: this is from an Advisory Circular, not a regulation -- hence the "are interested.." and "should.." language.) HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #17 February 12, 2008 As far as I see it says should and I would assume that it means you don't have to (I could be wrong since my law-english isn't very good). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 6 #18 February 12, 2008 QuoteFrom AC 105-2c (back of SIM) (emphasis added) " who are interested in obtaining authorization" __________________ Obviously if you aren't "interested" then just go do it. Besides the pilot isn't going to fly with the door "open", he's just going to reclose it because something caused it to become "ajar" while in flight. It's easier to get forgivness than it is to get permission (tic)Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cutter29 0 #19 February 13, 2008 its really easy.... make sure the aircraft is approved for flight with doors off. make a note on the running weight and balance that the door has been removed and adjust CG. any competent pilot should be able to do this in about 5 min. that said if your not in a busy area just pop the door and send it or do what i do... politely close the door and wave to the heli pilot as you leave the skids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites asmund 0 #20 February 15, 2008 Building flight time is considered compensation. A commercial pilot license is required to perform jump piloting.I like subway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites poppenhager 1 #21 February 15, 2008 RIGHT ON!!!! And that is the way it all started...PopQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 February 15, 2008 QuoteBuilding flight time is considered compensation. Not if the pilot has no intention of making a career of it.www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skydivesg 6 #23 February 16, 2008 Thank God for the renegades. Would we have a sport without them? BTW: Do you remember Snake?Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AUSkyguy 0 #24 February 19, 2008 Actually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating.-Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #25 February 19, 2008 QuoteActually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating. Interesting actual case study HERE.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
cutter29 0 #19 February 13, 2008 its really easy.... make sure the aircraft is approved for flight with doors off. make a note on the running weight and balance that the door has been removed and adjust CG. any competent pilot should be able to do this in about 5 min. that said if your not in a busy area just pop the door and send it or do what i do... politely close the door and wave to the heli pilot as you leave the skids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
asmund 0 #20 February 15, 2008 Building flight time is considered compensation. A commercial pilot license is required to perform jump piloting.I like subway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #21 February 15, 2008 RIGHT ON!!!! And that is the way it all started...PopQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 February 15, 2008 QuoteBuilding flight time is considered compensation. Not if the pilot has no intention of making a career of it.www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skydivesg 6 #23 February 16, 2008 Thank God for the renegades. Would we have a sport without them? BTW: Do you remember Snake?Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AUSkyguy 0 #24 February 19, 2008 Actually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating.-Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #25 February 19, 2008 QuoteActually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating. Interesting actual case study HERE.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
bodypilot1 0 #22 February 15, 2008 QuoteBuilding flight time is considered compensation. Not if the pilot has no intention of making a career of it.www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 6 #23 February 16, 2008 Thank God for the renegades. Would we have a sport without them? BTW: Do you remember Snake?Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AUSkyguy 0 #24 February 19, 2008 Actually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating.-Chris Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #25 February 19, 2008 QuoteActually, if the pilot is receiving anything that has value then he has to have a commercial license. Basically it has to be his plane and he would have to pay for everything. So unless you can find a pilot that will fly you up for free and drop you out of his own plane he needs to have a commercial rating. Interesting actual case study HERE.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
