woodpecker 0 #1 April 14, 2008 With an increase in the above mentioned Wing Loads, how much of a performance increase is there?SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtested 0 #2 April 14, 2008 About 1.2...... Depends on type of canopy, if you go from a square to eliptical, to a Cross b. If its the same canopy as in a safire 210 to a safire 190. Then you may find it slightly more responsive, it'll tuen quicker and sharper, you'll come into land quicker, if you have a mal it'll happen faster, You'll look cooler cause you have a smaller rig :p, Your packing if you have kept the same container and free bag will become easier (unless the canopy is new and shiney; then it'll become a bitch) Try to forget you have downsized, it is not a massive jump on your WL but a sensebile one (on paper.. as you could be a terrible canopy pilote who needs to upsize,, I dont know you from adam) Practice high, check your stall point, check your flare, check your turns. Have fun Ö Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #3 April 14, 2008 Quote how much of a performance increase is there? You performance? I don't think that would increase. . Your speed would increase a bit. Different canopies might have different flare points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #4 April 14, 2008 Negligible increase in performance. I tried a variety of 190's (Sabre, Sabre 2, Spectre, Safire 2, Triathlon) loaded at 1.19 back when I was flying a Spectre 210. The difference in performance wasn't enough for me to justify buying a 190.The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drudchen 0 #5 April 14, 2008 QuoteNegligible increase in performance. I tried a variety of 190's (Sabre, Sabre 2, Spectre, Safire 2, Triathlon) loaded at 1.19 back when I was flying a Spectre 210. The difference in performance wasn't enough for me to justify buying a 190. why are we talking about 210 to 190 transition? According to OP's profile he's loading a 150 at 1.03. That makes it 1.07 -> 1.19 correspond to 144 sqft to 129. When i went from a 120 to a 107 (same loadings - 1.08 to 1.2 - both Sabres) it was a nice change. Definitely justified buying one and making about 100 jumps on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 April 14, 2008 Ask a canopy instructor or someone with explicit experience of the wings that you are interested in (Size, make etc..) Low grade questions solicit low grade answers and generally shite adviceP.S In the mean time.... look after my Pilot? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #7 April 14, 2008 Because that is my only frame of reference. My advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #8 April 14, 2008 QuoteWith an increase in the above mentioned Wing Loads, how much of a performance increase is there? It'll be about 5% faster at trim speed. All else equal it will take less to get it turning and it will dive longer. How you perceive the change is a separate and more important issue. It's not linear or predictable. If you want a faster + more responsive canopy, are current, and with your current size are comfortable building speed (with front risers), flat/flare turns, cross-wind landings, slight down-wind landings, and everything else Bill von Novak or Brian Germain recommend you should try it and see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodpecker 0 #9 April 15, 2008 Going to demo a 135 and do a canopy course with it to see it I like it. thanks for the input all.SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #10 April 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteWith an increase in the above mentioned Wing Loads, how much of a performance increase is there? It'll be about 5% faster at trim speed. All else equal it will take less to get it turning and it will dive longer. How you perceive the change is a separate and more important issue. It's not linear or predictable. If you want a faster + more responsive canopy, are current, and with your current size are comfortable building speed (with front risers), flat/flare turns, cross-wind landings, slight down-wind landings, and everything else Bill von Novak or Brian Germain recommend you should try it and see. Best answer here. YOu know an instructor once told me you can swoop the shit out of a mammoth canopy, you just have to learn how properly firstDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites