diablopilot 2 #26 July 2, 2008 Quote Good luck with that, JP. Not into a "uniform" eh? Quote What are your plans if you get elected? Working on a blog for that, and check out the Election forum for what's already been said....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #27 July 3, 2008 For all you self righteous opinionated "professionals" That want to turn the DZ into a military academy.............You should look closer at that pic. That guy is definately crossing his fingers. Although, I'm sure he is giving you guys the finger right now.I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iowa 0 #28 July 3, 2008 Not sure what is going on with the fingers, but, the TI having his arms under his students during deployment is not good. Keith ''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #29 July 3, 2008 I was thinking the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #30 July 3, 2008 Not into a "uniform" eh? Quote Nah. I do that sort of thing at work. Working on a blog for that, and check out the Election forum for what's already been said. Quote I will. I forgot about that forum. My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #31 July 3, 2008 Honestly? Really? This is what you people have to gripe about? I thought we was flipping the cameraman off - and I LIKED the picture. Good god people, relax a bit - this is FUN, remember? Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #32 July 3, 2008 Go talk to a tandem master that has had their arm locked by a student. I'll chill cause I don't know the guy and I won't be able to see it from my house. Another good reason for a Cypres. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #33 July 3, 2008 Spence, Your initial indignation to the picture was what I was referring to. As for the arm lock, I've seen AFF students do FAR FAR worse to their instructors (bear hugged by a really big guy). Pictures are funny things - they capture this specfic moment in time, but almost never with context - we dont know what 'motion' was going on and who initiated what. Honestly, it seems like me like half of you just want to find a reason to bitch about the picture. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #34 July 3, 2008 Quoteagreed... we can all be loose and have fun with each other...that's the sport and everything that comes with it...but when it comes to a professional product that people are paying for (tandem vid and stills) the standards, at least for me, are different. To each his own. I don't make decisions for other videots or Parachutist, but I have my standards and code of conduct in this area. But if they're paying for it, and THEY choose to do it in their video - isn't it your responsibility to give them what they apparently want? IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piahenzi 0 #35 July 3, 2008 If the student gives the "no 1 sign' that's one thing... if it's the TM, and in this case it was... then, I'm not so convinced... Obviously I am in the minority on this..must be my Swiss upbringing peeking thru :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #36 July 3, 2008 Nobody said anything about a military academy except you. If a DZ wants to present a professional image to their customers, what's wrong with that? Not all do, and sometimes that's a negative to customers. No one is saying instructors must be rank, and file, goose stepping and whatnot. But maybe staff shirts and a positive attitude? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #37 July 3, 2008 Are you assuming the TM in the picture ( yes I finally saw it) has a negative attitude because he has no staff shirt and has a moment of goofing off? Im not addressing the arms in this post.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #38 July 3, 2008 Ahhh, Pia, I didn't remember it being the TM (I thought it was the student). My apologies folks, I mis-remembered (I must be getting way too old!) Still, at least it turns out it was just crossed fingers And Pia, I like the Swiss - especially the ones in tight red tanktops Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #39 July 3, 2008 I haven't seen the picture, but staff shirt or no, *I* think it's unprofessional of a TI to be flipping the bird on a customers video, no matter what the customer is doing. And it sounds like it's a moot point anyway.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piahenzi 0 #40 July 3, 2008 thank you ....you wear it as well as I do !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #41 July 3, 2008 Ok, someone help me with this. The gesture of the TI, as of now, is not certain. So far it's all speculation. We can see it's not the finger. But if it's the "You're #!", that's considered unprofessional? That's taboo? What if it were a thumbs up? What about a high five on the ground captured for posterity? You're saying that,in effect, whenever a TM gesticulates in any fashion it is unprofessional and to be avoided and not shown to the student? Or just certain gestures? Like ones that essentially say "Good job" "Yahoo" "Isn't this fun?" "Welcome to skydiving"...? Am I to believe a TI is expected to remain a button down, conservative, emotion-free, expressionless android who is not allowed to engage with a student? I can see this being a matter of individual choice. But unprofessional? I also note that a disproportionate amount of the postings here are by people reacting to hearsay and have not actually seen the photo. And much of that hearsay is guessing at what the gesture in question is or means. How can anyone offer an opinion based on ignorance and speculation and without a shred of evidence? Remember when Senator Bill Frist diagnosed Terri Schaivo after watching her on video? People. relax. I find it at once interesting and disturbing that judgement is being passed while no one knows diddly about any of it. No one so far knows the TI. No one so far knows the relationship between the TI & student. No one so far knows what they talked about before. And no one seems capable of allowing a simple, non-threatening, non-vulgar, culturally accepted gesture of goodwill. We came here to have fun people. Let's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #42 July 3, 2008 QuoteSpence, Your initial indignation to the picture was what I was referring to. As for the arm lock, I've seen AFF students do FAR FAR worse to their instructors (bear hugged by a really big guy). Pictures are funny things - they capture this specfic moment in time, but almost never with context - we dont know what 'motion' was going on and who initiated what. Honestly, it seems like me like half of you just want to find a reason to bitch about the picture. Ian Ian, You know I am no prude. I'll flip someone off or drop the F-bomb in a New York second. I just tried not to do it when I was working for the DZ. If you think this is acceptable for DZ staff that's cool. The next time I see you we'll go around and get in as many student videos with a double flip and a hardy "Fuck you buddy". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflymickey 0 #43 July 3, 2008 Quote Good god people, relax a bit - this is FUN, remember? This has got to be the funniest statement made in the history of dz.com by a moderator. How about taking a close look at all the moderators recent behavior on dorkzone and then ask yourself who truly needs to relax around here. Cant wait to see how long it takes for this post to disappear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #44 July 3, 2008 Ok. I confess, we have a secret room dedicated to having discussions on how to make you unhappy. I'll be sure to report back that our plan is being effective The rest of the closet-nazi's will be thrilled > Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #45 July 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteSpence, Your initial indignation to the picture was what I was referring to. As for the arm lock, I've seen AFF students do FAR FAR worse to their instructors (bear hugged by a really big guy). Pictures are funny things - they capture this specfic moment in time, but almost never with context - we dont know what 'motion' was going on and who initiated what. Honestly, it seems like me like half of you just want to find a reason to bitch about the picture. Ian Ian, You know I am no prude. I'll flip someone off or drop the F-bomb in a New York second. I just tried not to do it when I was working for the DZ. If you think this is acceptable for DZ staff that's cool. The next time I see you we'll go around and get in as many student videos with a double flip and a hardy "Fuck you buddy". I'll cast my vote with Spence and Diablo on this one - the key here is not (any) TI flipping the bird (regardless of whether the TI in the OP did or not), it's if he does so on video, which is preserved and can be broadcast or posted anywhere on the Net. Professional public image is important in most businesses. If 2 employees of a business flip each other off in the back room, who cares? But if they did it out in the public area in view of the customers or clients, the boss would have good reason to be pissed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #46 July 3, 2008 It's been determined that the TI was crossing their fingers Dead horse flogging inbound Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #47 July 3, 2008 The discussion is still valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #48 July 3, 2008 Quote It's been determined that the TI was crossing their fingers Dead horse flogging inbound What I flog is nobody else's business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #49 July 3, 2008 QuoteThe discussion is still valid. And totally unnecessary.Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #50 July 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe discussion is still valid. And totally unnecessary. Still, we got you to say "flog". [Beavis] Heh heh heh [/Beavis] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
