BIGUN 1,050 #26 January 2, 2009 Go ahead caller, I'm listening. You mean like when we used to do 4 ways out of a 182 @ 5K and turn points?Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TerminatorSRT4 0 #27 January 2, 2009 Quote There is something very appealing about doing a hop n pop on a load full of altitude goers. Instead of being one of the crowd you alost feel like the ride is especially for you. Gainer out the door and toss the PC or simply clear and pull as you watch the plane fly away with a familiar head looking out the door at ya before it retracts and goes on its way. Ahh bliss. you took the words right out of my mouth, I think that's why I found it to be so appealing however I'm sure eventually when I have to do one because of an emergency I won't be as thrilled about the idea Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spindlee 0 #28 January 2, 2009 Quote doesn't exactly justify full use of what I'm paying for. Yes if I had my own stuff. What do you mean by this? Your still using what you paid for... I think you can learn a lot about your canopy through a hop n pop.If in doubt, whip it out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #29 January 2, 2009 Quote Go ahead caller, I'm listening. You mean like when we used to do 4 ways out of a 182 @ 5K and turn points? Well that wouldn't exactly be a hop-n-pop then would it? "If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spindlee 0 #30 January 2, 2009 Quote 4 ways out of a 182 @ 5K and turn points? How many points If in doubt, whip it out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #31 January 2, 2009 Quote i never knew you could get out that low, the lowest hop n pop i have done is 4k. maybe the rules are different here in the uk. I've been out at less than half that altitude in the UKDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spindlee 0 #32 January 2, 2009 I've been out at less than half that altitude in the UK Not with my snively spectre! Just out of interest, what is the legal exit altitude? I would of thought at least 1000ft above legal opening altitude or am i wrong?If in doubt, whip it out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #33 January 2, 2009 Quote Quote i never knew you could get out that low, the lowest hop n pop i have done is 4k. maybe the rules are different here in the uk. I've been out at less than half that altitude in the UK So it seems there may be a difference in what the rules say and what you can get away with . Many years before I started there was a DZO that got out at 400 feet, he said if he knew then, what he knows now, he wouldn't have done it. He also won't tell us what the lowest altitude he got out is. He just says,"You gotta remember we were landing in the ocean.""If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #34 January 2, 2009 I love canopy flight. Its my favorite aspect of skydiving, outside of getting to teach students. Getting to teach low time jumpers about canopy flight is the best. All of that centers around hop-n-pops for me. Hop-n-pops 3k-5k or at altitude for some focused canopy work.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spindlee 0 #35 January 2, 2009 I really do want to learn CReW, although i'm not sure of the requirments. Canopy flight is the most enjoyable part of the skydive for me.If in doubt, whip it out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #36 January 2, 2009 there are some of us that do them as much as possible when we are allowedhttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #37 January 2, 2009 Quote I've been out at less than half that altitude in the UK Not with my snively spectre! Just out of interest, what is the legal exit altitude? I would of thought at least 1000ft above legal opening altitude or am i wrong? As far as I can make out, here in the US, there's no legal exit altitude so long as you don't bust your container opening altitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spindlee 0 #38 January 2, 2009 no legal exit altitude so long as you don't bust your container opening altitude. If in doubt, whip it out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #39 January 2, 2009 Quote I've been out at less than half that altitude in the UK Not with my snively spectre! I've been out that low with a just as snivelly Safire2. No dramas.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #40 January 2, 2009 I used to hate hop n pops! Untill one day at the DZ with a low cloud cover 2,000 - 2,200 ft . I did not like the idea, but i wanted to jump so bad that day (as I do all other days). The clouds didnt clear by 10-11 am so the other jumpers decided to manifest for a 20 min call. The pilot and other jumpers talked me into going. I figured the worste would be that i had to ride the plane down if i was to scared. We ended up doing maybe 6-8 jumps at 2k to 2.2k. It was one of the best days i ever had jumping!!!!!!!! About 4-5 pm the clouds cleared enought for 1 full alt. jump! It was a great day! I love H&P now! It was good to get the low exits out of the way just in case! BTW anyone out there that dosent like the idea. It really is not that bad. You are moving so slow vertically at first you have plenty of time! Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #41 January 2, 2009 > I also love watching newbs do them. They look so sceered Funny how times change. When I started, the newbies all got out at 3000 - and when they went to 13,500 for the first time they'd get scared! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #42 January 2, 2009 Quotei never knew you could get out that low, the lowest hop n pop i have done is 4k. maybe the rules are different here in the uk. I wouldn't know what the rules are in the UK, but even here in the States, most people seem to interpret a hop & pop as a 5 - 10 second delay from 4 to 5 grand. Back in the day when pairchutes wuz carved out'n wood, we'd uset ter get out anywhweres from 2 to 3 grand and anything longer than a 3 second delay was considered a 5 second delay and not a hop & pop. The h&p's I've done since returning 6 years ago have all been from at least 4 grand, but I'd be okay down to 2 grand with my Pilot canopy and not worry about my Cypres firing. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chubba 0 #43 January 2, 2009 QuoteThere is something very appealing about doing a hop n pop on a load full of altitude goers. Instead of being one of the crowd you alost feel like the ride is especially for you. Gainer out the door and toss the PC or simply clear and pull as you watch the plane fly away with a familiar head looking out the door at ya before it retracts and goes on its way. Ahh bliss. Being a small single 182 DZ with no tandems, there's basically an AFF on every load RIGHT next to the door. Open at 3.5k, cold air rushing in, quickly step out facing the prop, give the finger/flip the bird to the plane then do a backflip and catch the face of the student after the first revolution. Evil but oh soo fun. Subterminal flying is an absolute blast. PS: I had a 400 jump wingsuit/tracker specialist on a hop n pop backtrack (with finger flip/bird) on my AFF1, probably the most spine chilling experience ever. Cold air + the face to face glare, A++. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #44 January 2, 2009 Love 'em. Exit altitude anywhere from 2200 to 13000 .. great opportunity to do some recreational CRW as well. From 5000 I actually prefer freefalling (tracking, wingsuiting or RW) though. Have done H&P from 3000 without bothering to take off the wingsuit, have done freefall wingsuit jumps from 3500 where you fly around the person exiting after you while he's opening out the door. But know your gear. Some canopies, and bungee pilots, do take time to open. I've been looking at a bungee pilot in tow for 8 seconds after a H&P. Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #45 January 2, 2009 Quote I wouldn't know what the rules are in the UK, but even here in the States, most people seem to interpret a hop & pop as a 5 - 10 second delay from 4 to 5 grand. . I'd consider a real hop'n'pop to be deploying while still in sub-terminal. Otherwise it doesn't qualify. Hence the names: Hop 'n' pop, clear & pull, and jump & dump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #46 January 2, 2009 I tried a 3-way from 2700 when i had just touched over 100 jumps. Didn't last long before i poo'd me y-fronts and tracked off. But at least we got it off the hill staying together. On the ground one of the chaps came up to me and says "nice short track, where you trying to hand me your pilot chute?" 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #47 January 2, 2009 What's cool is when you have a good otter load of people doing hop and pops. It is cool to open up and then watch everyone else just jump and dump one right after anotherDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #48 January 2, 2009 QuoteGo ahead caller, I'm listening. You mean like when we used to do 4 ways out of a 182 @ 5K and turn points? Is that because that's all a 182 can get up to with a load of anvils?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #49 January 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteGo ahead caller, I'm listening. You mean like when we used to do 4 ways out of a 182 @ 5K and turn points? Is that because that's all a 182 can get up to with a load of anvils? My DZO says they used to only go to 7,500 and turn just as many points as we do from 9,000, then I asked when they opened..."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #50 January 2, 2009 How long ago was that, and was it in the days of rounds?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
