WooHoo 0 #1 February 23, 2009 Before the now standard belly to earth 'box' position, was accepted as the standard norn. What was the suggested freefall position given to aviators? I have seen some black and white footage taken in the early 50's of a test jumper, arm crossed over belly reserve and legs together, he appeared to be slowly tumbling in a head up position. I know in WW2 pilots were told to clear the aircraft and pull, but wondered if there was another position (Early FF pioneers perhaps!!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #2 February 23, 2009 From War Department Technical Manual TM 1-44 (Jan. 10, 1941): "It has been observed...that many jumpers, when leaving an airplane head-first, draw up their legs, which invariably causes a rapid 'somersaulting' of the body before the parachute can be released. This often results in the release of the parachute at an instant that it is underneath the wearer. When thus released, one or more suspension lines are occasionally drawn violently over the inflating canopy, resulting in frictional burning of the silk." HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #3 February 23, 2009 Quote Before the now standard belly to earth 'box' position, was accepted as the standard norn. What was the suggested freefall position given to aviators? I have seen some black and white footage taken in the early 50's of a test jumper, arm crossed over belly reserve and legs together, he appeared to be slowly tumbling in a head up position. I know in WW2 pilots were told to clear the aircraft and pull, but wondered if there was another position (Early FF pioneers perhaps!!) ""Back in the day" (late 60's) I think the freefall position for sport jumpers was called the "frog". I think the term box position started in the late 70's mid 80's. Sorry but thats the best i can do, I just had my milk & cookies and now it's time for my nap.R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 February 23, 2009 We need some old timers to finish the list and put it all in order with some approx dates I can guess going backwards mantis box man frog modified frog iron cross (I think I heard of something like this for Airborne training) old guy body positions from the 60's anyway, nothing a good viewing of Fandango can't fix ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #5 February 23, 2009 This video shows someone NOT in a hard arch, from 1974. It's easy to see the body position as there is no gear getting in the way of watching. The body position is easy to see at about 1:30 onto the video, the knees are low. Looks like an attempt to fall faster, but not using an arch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvMGLJ0xww"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piratemike 0 #6 February 23, 2009 QuoteThis video shows someone NOT in a hard arch, from 1974. It's easy to see the body position as there is no gear getting in the way of watching. The body position is easy to see at about 1:30 onto the video, the knees are low. Looks like an attempt to fall faster, but not using an arch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvMGLJ0xww Wow, great video. That's a very different looking flying style. Look at that camera on his head! That's a pretty big box coming off of his head. Thanks for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headcase 0 #7 February 24, 2009 Is that the origination of the "Mr. Bill." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
low_pull1 2 #8 February 24, 2009 Bill Cole Posts on this board sometimes...i think crazy man....crazy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #9 February 24, 2009 QuoteBill Cole Posts on this board sometimes...i think crazy man....crazy Bill Cole posts on dz.com as "chuteless""Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #10 February 24, 2009 Shocking! That man should have his license pulled! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #11 February 24, 2009 :::snicker::: Awesome video! "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
low_pull1 2 #12 February 25, 2009 they should ban him from the sport! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #13 February 25, 2009 Original question, I started in the mid seventies, static line. You started with a hard arch position, then learned to relax into a frog position when you started doing 10 second delays. A hard arch tends to buffet at terminal. The frog position is very similar to a box man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 13 #14 February 25, 2009 I think the position in the '60s was known in the U.S. as the "French Frog Position", as it originated there._____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 771 #15 February 26, 2009 Travis Pastrana ain't got shit on Bill Cole!I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #16 February 26, 2009 Quote I think the position in the '60s was known in the U.S. as the "French Frog Position", as it originated there. That the way we remember it. But we were a little fuzzy on the ""French" part and since it's now 45 years later I'm not sure if the term is PC.Some folks think the US is the Daddy of skydiving. DZ.com has opened my eyes to the fact that skydiving it truely a international sport.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
