stitch 0 #1 February 17, 2009 1st off, what's a Baser ?? See below. http://www.thebaser.com/ Many seem to think because it carries a TSO the DZO, S&TA, or pilot has to let you jump it. It is my understanding that is not so. Anybody want to dispute this ?"No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #2 February 17, 2009 Nobody HAS to LET you jump anything. Their plane, their rules. The pilot who is flying should get to veto anything. An S&TA is an ADVISOR and can't keep you from doing anything. Will they let you? Have to ask them. Not us. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #3 February 17, 2009 It'd probably be OK with them if I wanted to. Of course, I already have extensive training in jumping rounds and conventional gear Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #4 February 17, 2009 Yes the drop zones I go to will have no problems letting COMPETENT people jump it. But getting your PLFs down in the extremely unlikely case that you need to use the round reserve should be a good thing to practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #5 February 17, 2009 No problem. In fact I would love to have one around to use as a training aid for those who wish to start base jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #6 February 17, 2009 Quote It'd probably be OK with them if I wanted to. Of course, I already have extensive training in jumping rounds and conventional gear Wendy W. Keep in mind the types of mains used are free packed, use mesh sliders and are often taken to terminal velocity. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #7 February 17, 2009 Which reminds me. I need to patch the purple paracommander given me last year.AND try to lose weight. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,392 #8 February 17, 2009 Would depend on the jumper. I can think of a great many people who should not jump one. >Many seem to think because it carries a TSO the DZO, S&TA, or pilot >has to let you jump it. It is my understanding that is not so. Anybody >want to dispute this ? ?? The DZO, S+TA or pilot don't have to let you jump _anything._ DZO's could require all the jumpers at their DZ to jump 22' rounds if they wanted to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 February 17, 2009 A lot of us started jumping on rounds. My previous rig had a round reserve in it ... until it was condemned for failing an acid test ... So I can't see a problem. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #10 February 17, 2009 Quote1st off, what's a Baser ?? See below. http://www.thebaser.com/ Many seem to think because it carries a TSO the DZO, S&TA, or pilot has to let you jump it. It is my understanding that is not so. Anybody want to dispute this ? They let me jump an old 4-pin rig with a 1967 Paracommander, capewells, and chest mounted reserve. While the DZ owns the planes + hangers and could tell me not to jump it I doubt they would. The old dudes might tell me I needed french boots, a double zipper Pioneer jump suit, and a bell helmet to go with the chest-mounted reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 February 17, 2009 If I were the DZO I'd want to make sure the jumper understood the use and risks of a front mounted round reserve. Not the thing I'd expect most 100 jump skydivers to grasp.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #12 February 17, 2009 QuoteNo problem. In fact I would love to have one around to use as a training aid for those who wish to start base jumping. All you can teach them is slider up stowed terminal deployments. Not jumps, as you cant simulate dead air out of an aircraft unless its a balloon or helicopter. And for one, i can tell you 95% of my BASE jumps are not terminal and most are low, slider off hand held freefalls. Meaning packing is not even close to the same as it is for terminal. Why not get a BASE canopy, an old student container and save a fucking huge fortune.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #13 February 17, 2009 QuoteWhy not get a BASE canopy, an old student container and save a fucking huge fortune. Win.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,392 #14 February 17, 2009 >as you cant simulate dead air out of an aircraft unless its a balloon or helicopter. Uh - right. And you can simulate 3 second delays from a Cessna or a Porter. It's a nice option for BASE training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Usetawuz 1 #15 February 17, 2009 Ahhh, I was wondering about that purple PC _________________________________________ The older I get, the better I was! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #16 February 17, 2009 Quote A lot of us started jumping on rounds. My previous rig had a round reserve in it ... until it was condemned for failing an acid test ... So I can't see a problem. as if you ever SKYDIVE these days.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #17 February 17, 2009 Why would you simulate a 3 second delay from the hill of an aircraft? I done that on my AFF Hop n Pop. Why spend all that cash when you can freepack and BASE canopy into a student rig?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #18 February 17, 2009 Quote Why would you simulate a 3 second delay from the hill of an aircraft? I done that on my AFF Hop n Pop. Why spend all that cash when you can freepack and BASE canopy into a student rig? To stimulate the economy. Namely..........Sonic's. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,392 #19 February 17, 2009 >Why would you simulate a 3 second delay from the hill of an aircraft? Because you'll get experience with packing for a 3 second BASE delay. >Why spend all that cash when you can freepack and BASE canopy into >a student rig? Because packing a BASE canopy into a student rig isn't the same as packing a BASE canopy into a BASE container. The reason I like the BASEr is that it's a decent BASE rig even with the additional fittings to accept a round reserve. Which means that you'd be practicing packing on the same rig you are going to jump on the BASE jump without having to disconnect/reconnect risers or change your packing procedures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #20 February 18, 2009 Quote >Why would you simulate a 3 second delay from the hill of an aircraft? Because you'll get experience with packing for a 3 second BASE delay. Are you seriously recommending taking a 3 second out of an airplane where you already have airspeed, even with a cut, with a slider down/slider off pack job ?? All I can say is.......OUCH !!"No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #21 February 18, 2009 I dont know about you Bill, but id rather take my slider off for a 3 second delay. Especially off an A.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,392 #22 February 18, 2009 >Are you seriously recommending taking a 3 second out of an airplane >where you already have airspeed, even with a cut, with a slider >down/slider off pack job ? Well, would you take a 3 second delay off the Perrine with a slider down pack job? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #23 February 18, 2009 Yes. I have many times. I was also leaving from more or less a dead stop. Not in a 40+ mph wind. 3-4 second slider down delays are rather brisk."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,392 #24 February 18, 2009 >Yes. I have many times. Then deploying at a similar speed from an aircraft should be quite similar when it comes to opening (with the exception of your angle to the ground, of course.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #25 February 18, 2009 I still don't think we're on the same page here. Let me give you an example; For reference, I'm 240ish out the door. Over the holidays I did a currency jump from a 182. Hanging from the strut, with a cut, I was horizontal. When I released. ( correct me if I'm wrong here ) I went backwards faster than I went downwards. Because of airspeed. When I leave a fixed object I go downwards vertically a lot faster than I go outwards horizontally, because the only horizontal speed I get is from pushing off/running off the object. IMO thereis going to be a major difference in opening shock on a slider down canopy. regardless of the delay, when taken from a fixed-wing aircraft vs. a fixed object."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
