siuskydive 0 #1 October 17, 2003 I was thinking about getting a cobalt 170 that was previously a demo with 25 Jumps. Is a cobalt a good canopy...any complaints??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #2 October 17, 2003 do a search for cobalt. I think you'll find plenty. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #3 October 17, 2003 How's your neck? Would you like some realignment? Get the cobalt! Need to see your chiropractor? Schwwwwwaaacccckkkk!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #4 October 17, 2003 3 stage opening..... 1 Think deploy, 2 deploy pilot chute, 3 canopy..bbbbbboooooommmmm!!@!!!!!!!!! The nastiest opening canopy i've jumped besides the Saber............... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #5 October 17, 2003 THis has benn discussed MANY times. Search out the results. Jump the canopy before you buy... Some are GREAT (My old one was one of these) and some of them will open like they have no slider. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #6 October 17, 2003 QuoteCobalt or no ??? NO! Fukking HELL NO.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #7 October 17, 2003 Just bear in mind the statistic that unhappy customers on average tell ten people, but happy customers on average tell one..... or whatever the numbers are.....you know what I mean. People shout louder when they're pissed off. Very happy with my Cobalt for the last 300 jumps. Much better openings, glide, and flare than the Safires and Sabres I jumped previously. Much less twitchy than a Stiletto. Best canopy I ever jumped by a long way. Geoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 October 17, 2003 Just ask yourself, though. Why were their experiences so bad that they feel they need to share it with a lot of people?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roq 0 #9 October 17, 2003 Those that only say badly of that many experts only say well should be questioned about their packing ability or of those that made their pack job, or then which the true reasons that motivate them... I think that you have a low number jumps (25 ?) for to start to jump with cobalt, but when you have more jumps try one and you will get great satisfaction. When you jump a cobalt you need only the sure of a good and appropriate pack-job. roq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #10 October 17, 2003 Or just maybe instead of making sure you pack your new Cobalt "just right" and deploy in "just the right way" or modify your rig by getting the "just right pilot chute" to get that really great 2 stage opening, you may just want to buy a canopy that does not need that much attention to get great openings. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roq 0 #11 October 17, 2003 I speak for me and of my experience with cobalts and impulses. I didn't speak about body position, nor of 2 stage opennings, nor pilot size. You were who spoke. For me it is important as in another canopys but not the the fundamental. Just as in any other canopy the important same it is the packing the rest it is the normal necessary accessory. Here in the forum any problem with a cobalt is national event. If it went like this with other canopys everyday there were national events. You should know that the stilleto was already called spinneto that there already who fractured neck or spanked with velocitys, sabres, icarus, ZP, and triatlons and nobody said badly of these canopys. Even today so these canopys is exlibris and I agree is good canopys! Who knows what is a good canopy know that has to put the cobalt in the top of the good canopys in performance and openings. I am no dealer and I am no sponsored from cobalt Roq Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chivo 0 #12 October 17, 2003 Why not make your own opinion of that canopy? I'd say... demo it. If you like it, then get it. If not, look for other options. Some ppl love it, some hate it. So far, nobody has said anything bad (to my knowledge) about the flight characteristics of the cobalt. The issue (afaik) is the openings. Demo it, and make sure you follow the manufacturer recomendations for packing the canopy. Jump it a few times and decide if it is a good canopy for you or not. Edit: If you have 25 jumps, i'd say its a bit early for you to start flying an elliptical canopy. But I also agree that ppl progress differently in this sport. Make sure you talk to your instructors about it. If they think you're ready for it... go ahead and demo it. ~Chivo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #13 October 17, 2003 Hey Roq: I did not mean my post to come off as a personal attach and if it did I am sorry. I find it very intriguing that a company (ATAIR) has a canopy (Cobalt) that it claim to fame is really outstanding openings, and more than just a few open really hard. Atair’s fix’s for these hard opening canopies range from body position at pull time, packing, to using a 24” pilot chute. The Cobalt may be a really outstanding canopy however; if they can not get them to open softly, I personally would never consider jumping one. Hell the Sabre is an outstanding canopy if you look beyond the hard openings. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #14 October 17, 2003 ***Those that only say badly of that many experts only say well should be questioned about their packing ability or of those that made their pack job, or then which the true reasons that motivate them... I think that you have a low number jumps (25 ?) for to start to jump with cobalt, but when you have more jumps try one and you will get great satisfaction. When you jump a cobalt you need only the sure of a good and appropriate pack-job. __________________________________________________ HUH?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #15 October 17, 2003 Demoing the canopy you plan to buy is always a great idea. I would also suggest demoing other canopies from other manufactures as well. There are alot of great canopies out there. Hey one last thing, from different post it sounds like some Cobalts open hard while others open great. There seems to be no rime or reason for it so as someone in another post suggested if you want a Cobalt demo one and find one that open's soft and buy the canopy you demo Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #16 October 17, 2003 With 25 jumps you shoudn't be jumping any elliptical yet. This is the problem with Atair's marketing. I don't care what they say new jumpers don't need the extra worry and risks they will be taking with an Elliptical. Any elliptical! I wish Atiar would get with the rest of the industry and stop trying to sell newbies elliptical canopies. I guess the want of money will make you do anything!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #17 October 17, 2003 I believe he ment the canopy has 25 jumps.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #18 October 17, 2003 My Sabre has opened nicely for 8 years running. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #19 October 17, 2003 QuoteMy Sabre has opened nicely for 8 years running. I demoed a used Sabre with a pocket on the slider and sent it back for the 1000'+ snivel. But I don't know anybody that has one without the pocket that hasn't been spanked occasionally. I got nerve damage in my shoulder and neck from 1 Sabre snap. Glad you have a nice one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #20 October 17, 2003 I don't know anyone who doesn't get spanked occasionally on all canopies I've flown four or five other Sabre's and I would agree that the Sabre seems to have odd openings at times, this is for sure! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 October 17, 2003 Even a Spectre will give you a spank every once in a while, although IMHO its one of the best opening sport canopies out there. Blunty, shit happens. When it happens more then just occasionally, then there is a design problem.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #22 October 17, 2003 My history with Atair, I demoed a 95 with the H-mod, opened nic for about the first 6-7 times, then I did a hnp and it slammed me. They sent a 20-22" pilot chute. The next couple opened nice then it was like Jeckle and Hyde! I started putting my hand under my chin to protect my neck. They sent me a reglar 85 and it was 0/6, all slammers! I bought a Crossfire 99 and never looked back. No special pack method and openned in a track and couldn't make it open hard. I know people that have good ones that rarely get spanked but it still happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #23 October 17, 2003 Funny I put over 300 jumps on a Safire and never once had a hard opening. I currently have 200 jumps on a Crossfire 2 and only have had one brisk opening(that was a very bad pack job) Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #24 October 17, 2003 QuoteI don't know anyone who doesn't get spanked occasionally on all canopies I put 500 on my crossfire and never had a hard opening. I've got a few hundred on 3 different Xaos's 2-21's and 1-27 and have yet to have a hard openning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,384 #25 October 17, 2003 >Funny I put over 300 jumps on a Safire and never once had a hard opening. Me too - I'm pushing 500 on my Safire 119 and no seriously hard openings yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,384 #25 October 17, 2003 >Funny I put over 300 jumps on a Safire and never once had a hard opening. Me too - I'm pushing 500 on my Safire 119 and no seriously hard openings yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
