Eule 0 #51 April 14, 2007 QuoteThe current price on the aircraft is $3.295M USD (April 2007 economy) for a standard green aircraft; paint, Four cases of beer - $0.00012M USD Four cases of spray paint - maybe $0.0002M USD One Otter load of drunk jumpers (labor) - $0.0M USD Quoteavionics Whiskey compass - maybe $0.0002M USD Bottle of whiskey for the compass - $0.00003M USD Oil pressure lights - $0.0002M USD Generator lights - $0.0002M USD Hand-held transceiver - $0.0005M USD Quoteand options/modifications will be extra. Labor to take cargo door off - $0.0M USD Bench seats and seat belts - dunno - maybe $0.002M USD? TOTAL - $3.29845M USD Let's go jump! :) EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #52 April 14, 2007 QuoteI saw 2 in the hangar at SPX last Friday Skydive Spaceland actually has FOUR! Three are on site today, and the 4th is in Atlanta... Nice new paint on two and the Caravan. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #53 April 14, 2007 I love the nice shiny blue paint right behind the exhaust stacks Skydive Radio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #54 April 15, 2007 QuotePicton (Sydney Skydivers) -200 series Otter has had the seats put back in and is being sold back into airline service. With a Turbine Beaver (10pax), 750XL (16-17pax), and a Skyvan (21pax), it just didn't seem to get used all that much. Pity, as it was the only skydiving Otter in Australia. When I was in Picton in 2005 they had two but only one was flying. The other had no engines and other parts missing. It also had a very odd nose cone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eule 0 #55 April 15, 2007 QuoteWhen I was in Picton in 2005 they had two but only one was flying. The other had no engines and other parts missing. It also had a very odd nose cone. Between Jane's and a couple of posts here, I _think_ the "short" nose means it's either a -100 Otter, or a later Otter that was set up for floats at one time. I think the "long" nose is for extra baggage room, and I think it became standard starting with the -200 Otters. But for some reason the long nose and floats don't go together - probably weight and balance. Or maybe it used to have a long nose, but a biomaterials-based aircraft arresting device prevented a runway overrun at some point... EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #56 April 15, 2007 I have just never seen a snub- nosed one like that before so it seemed odd to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LloydDobbler 2 #57 April 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteSkydiveAZ (eloy, AZ)- 3 Jumptown (orange, MA) - 1 Raeford (raeford, NC) - 1 Cross Keys (cross keys, NJ) - 1 CSS (louisburg, NC) - 4 Skydive Dallas (Whitewright, TX) - 2 Skydive Spaceland (Rosharon, TX) - 1 Skydive Chicago (IL) - 2 Skydive Tecumseh (Michigan) - 1 Freefall Express (Ny, Fla) - 4 Perris (Ca) - 3 'snore (Ca) - 2 Taft (Ca) - 1 Lodi (Ca) - 1 Mile Hi (CO) - 1 Kapowsin Air Sports (WA) - 1 Empuriabrava (Spain) - 1 Thats 30. Add to the list: Skydive California City - 1 (with the snub nose, IIRC, I should add) Skydive San Diego - 1 That should take care of SoCal...anyone wanna chime in with the other FL DZ's?Signatures are the new black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #58 April 15, 2007 Anybody know about a company called "Skydive Factory" that has two Twin Otters registered in New Hampshire (N202DH and N204DH). How about "Jump Run Aviation," also in New Hampshire (N321CY) Those companies are probably a registration home for aircraft used elsewhere, and flown under a different name (For example, Freefall Express is listed in New Hampshire but their aircraft are flown mostly in New York and Florida). They may already be on the master list, or they may be missing.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #59 April 15, 2007 Quote I love the nice shiny blue paint right behind the exhaust stacks That's job security for pilots on cloudy days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #60 April 15, 2007 QuoteAnybody know about a company called "Skydive Factory" that has two Twin Otters registered in New Hampshire (N202DH and N204DH). How about "Jump Run Aviation," also in New Hampshire (N321CY) Where you looking those up? Neither 202DH or 204DH is currently registered to an otter or to skydive factory. I mentioned earlier in the thread that N321CY is at Skydive New England in Lebanon, ME. I think a lot of planes get registered by corporations in New Hampshire for tax reasons. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #61 April 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnybody know about a company called "Skydive Factory" that has two Twin Otters registered in New Hampshire (N202DH and N204DH). How about "Jump Run Aviation," also in New Hampshire (N321CY) Where you looking those up? Neither 202DH or 204DH is currently registered to an otter or to skydive factory. I mentioned earlier in the thread that N321CY is at Skydive New England in Lebanon, ME. I think a lot of planes get registered by corporations in New Hampshire for tax reasons. Dave http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nameSQL.asp?nametxt=skydive+factory&cmndfind.x=12&cmndfind.y=9&sort_option=5Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #62 April 15, 2007 Ahhh... hehe you had a typo in your post... EH, not DH. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #63 April 15, 2007 Skydive Factory is owned by George & Sue Ireland. We (Skydive Orange, VA) lease one of their Twin Otters (202EH). I can't remember right now where the other one (204EH) is living, but I know it is also used for skydiving. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #64 April 15, 2007 Sky's the Limit in PA. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #65 April 15, 2007 List of 41 Otters in the US. I am missing the third ones for both Skydive Arizona and Perris. 3434 crashed last year and was cut up for parts so its no longer flying. N-Number Serial Number Name 203E 53 ADVENTURE AVIATION LLC 3434 193 AEROHIO AVIATION LLC 204SA 402 AIRE EXPRESS LLC 169BA 103 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 690MF 121 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 203SF 151 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 70551 656 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 220EA 190 EAGLE AIR TRANSPORT INC 10EA 199 EAGLE AIR TRANSPORT INC 71EC 37 EMERALD COAST AIR INC 208JE 557 ERIKSSON AVIATION LLC 227CS 27 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 1022S 79 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 226CS 198 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 123FX 200 FREEFALL EXPRESS 166DH 66 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 129PM 114 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 40269 152 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 204BD 204 HILL LARRY 128WJ 128 HILL LAWRENCE E 321CY 211 JUMP RUN AVIATION LLC 125PM 89 MILE HI SKYDIVERS INC 200DZ 112 MONTEREY BAY AERO SPORT SPLEX 121PM 14 ONE PAPA MIKE CORPORATION 924MA 216 PARA DROP 125SA 104 PM LEASING INC 708PV 489 PM LEASING INC 901BS 160 RAEFORD AVIATION INC 901ST 208 SKY TEAM AVIATION INC 202EH 48 SKYDIVE FACTORY INC 204EH 61 SKYDIVE FACTORY INC 719AS 139 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 711AS 202 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 228YK 228 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 926MA 133 SPEED STAR EXPRESS LLC 923MA 168 SPEEDSTAR EXPRESS LLC 24HV 109 VERTICAL AIR INC 3PY 7 67 WESTWIND AIR LLC 201RH 163 WIN WIN AVIATION INC 301CL 221 WIN WIN AVIATION INC 223AL 223 WIN WIN AVIATION INCYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #66 April 15, 2007 QuoteList of 41 Otters in the US. I am missing the third ones for both Skydive Arizona and Perris. 3434 crashed last year and was cut up for parts so its no longer flying. N-Number Serial Number Name 203E 53 ADVENTURE AVIATION LLC 3434 193 AEROHIO AVIATION LLC 204SA 402 AIRE EXPRESS LLC 169BA 103 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 690MF 121 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 203SF 151 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 70551 656 DESERT SAND AIRCRAFT LEASING CO INC 220EA 190 EAGLE AIR TRANSPORT INC 10EA 199 EAGLE AIR TRANSPORT INC 71EC 37 EMERALD COAST AIR INC 208JE 557 ERIKSSON AVIATION LLC 227CS 27 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 1022S 79 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 226CS 198 FAYARD ENTERPRISES INC 123FX 200 FREEFALL EXPRESS 166DH 66 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 129PM 114 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 40269 152 FREEFALL EXPRESS INC 204BD 204 HILL LARRY 128WJ 128 HILL LAWRENCE E 321CY 211 JUMP RUN AVIATION LLC 125PM 89 MILE HI SKYDIVERS INC 200DZ 112 MONTEREY BAY AERO SPORT SPLEX 121PM 14 ONE PAPA MIKE CORPORATION 924MA 216 PARA DROP 125SA 104 PM LEASING INC 708PV 489 PM LEASING INC 901BS 160 RAEFORD AVIATION INC 901ST 208 SKY TEAM AVIATION INC 202EH 48 SKYDIVE FACTORY INC 204EH 61 SKYDIVE FACTORY INC 719AS 139 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 711AS 202 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 228YK 228 SKYDIVING PRODUCTIONS OVER TEXAS INC 926MA 133 SPEED STAR EXPRESS LLC 923MA 168 SPEEDSTAR EXPRESS LLC 24HV 109 VERTICAL AIR INC 3PY 7 67 WESTWIND AIR LLC 201RH 163 WIN WIN AVIATION INC 301CL 221 WIN WIN AVIATION INC 223AL 223 WIN WIN AVIATION INC You are also missing N30EA, also owned by Eagle Air.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peggs82 0 #67 April 15, 2007 QuoteI have just never seen a snub- nosed one like that before so it seemed odd to me. One of skydive city's/The Ranch's otters (N128PM) also has the snub nose. The only explination I ever got from it was luggage storage. Do not know about floats or anything like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bivar 0 #68 April 15, 2007 Quote Finland : OH-SLK Sweden : SE-GEE 3 of the european Twotters in Empuria www.airliners.net/open.file/0757516/M/ edited to change Norway to Finland.. Damm Scandinavians... LN-JMP, a 200 series otter, is flying jumpers in Tønsberg, Norway.---------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #69 April 15, 2007 The US Forest Service also uses Otters for Smoke Jumpers. They own 3 and have 3 on contract according to one of my buddies, I thought they had all been replaced with Sherpas. They also have a turbine DC-3 in McCall I am not sure about the BLM, they may also have otters for smoke jumpers. In 1994 I was on a fire assignment in Alaska and I flew in an Otter used for crew transport. It was not set up for jumping and had seats. I saw several like this in Anchorage. http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/smokejumpers/aircraft.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #70 April 16, 2007 QuoteWhen I was in Picton in 2005 they had two but only one was flying. The other had no engines and other parts missing. It also had a very odd nose cone. The chocolate Eagle Otter has wing spars at lifetime. I doubt it'll ever fly again. VH-JEA is the one that's being sold back into airline service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eule 0 #71 April 16, 2007 QuoteI am missing the third ones for both Skydive Arizona and Perris. [....] 924MA 216 PARA DROP This might be Skydive AZ's third Otter. SDAZ provided the planes for Couch Freaks 2006 and I have a photo of 924MA sitting on the ramp. It doesn't have the "Skydive Arizona" logo on it, but it has the same color scheme as their other planes - mostly white, with red over gray over black stripes. I also jumped at Eloy about a month ago, and in my logbook I have written "929MA", but that doesn't appear to be a good number. There's a fair chance I garbled at least part of that number - I'm pretty sure about the 9--MA but the "29" might have been something else. EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #72 April 16, 2007 Todays aero-news special feature podcast is with the president of Viking Air. The conversation is about the Twin Otter 400. You can listen to it here http://www.aero-news.net/podcasts/casts/3/ann-special-feature-2007-04-16.mp3 Skydive Radio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #73 April 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteI have just never seen a snub- nosed one like that before so it seemed odd to me. One of skydive city's/The Ranch's otters (N128PM) also has the snub nose. The only explination I ever got from it was luggage storage. Do not know about floats or anything like that?[/repl] 100 series (through serial 115 out of 844) Otters and float planes had the original short nose; newer Otters on wheels get the long nose for extra bagage room (floats can have bagage compartments which would make that less necessary). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #74 April 16, 2007 Quote I have just never seen a snub- nosed one like that before so it seemed odd to me. The proper terminology is "Squishy Faced". ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #75 April 16, 2007 Quotethe long nose for extra bagage room (floats can have bagage compartments which would make that less necessary). I believe there is an aerodynamic reason for it. The floats protrude far forward and add a lot of vertical surface area. They would tend to move the aerodynamic center forward (causing yaw stability problems), so vertical fins are added to the horizontal stabilizer to counter that. I think the longer nose has the same affect as the floats, so they use the shorter nose on most float equipped models. (There are plenty of pics on the internet of long-nose float-equipped otters). I think the short nose from the -100 series was retained as an option for the -200 series, for float operators. Could be wrong though! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
airtwardo 6 #74 April 16, 2007 Quote I have just never seen a snub- nosed one like that before so it seemed odd to me. The proper terminology is "Squishy Faced". ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #75 April 16, 2007 Quotethe long nose for extra bagage room (floats can have bagage compartments which would make that less necessary). I believe there is an aerodynamic reason for it. The floats protrude far forward and add a lot of vertical surface area. They would tend to move the aerodynamic center forward (causing yaw stability problems), so vertical fins are added to the horizontal stabilizer to counter that. I think the longer nose has the same affect as the floats, so they use the shorter nose on most float equipped models. (There are plenty of pics on the internet of long-nose float-equipped otters). I think the short nose from the -100 series was retained as an option for the -200 series, for float operators. Could be wrong though! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
