Tuna-Salad 0 #1 August 28, 2009 Ever had a tandem or AFF that refused to jump? I saw the expression on an AFF go from smiling and joy to absolute horror when she stood up and looked out the window recently. On a load after I saw a tandem grab the door as they were leaning foreward as a last ditch effort to stop the skydive. I have the video.. it's pretty funny to me because I think at times... we have all been there.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #2 August 28, 2009 QuoteEver had a tandem or AFF that refused to jump?yes and yesscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #3 August 28, 2009 And it's complete appropriate for someone to change their mind and stay in the airplane. We don't make ANYBODY jump that doesn't want to.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #4 August 28, 2009 the example I cited.. they were too far beyond the point of return for the guy's groping at the door to have any effect..Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimjumper 25 #5 August 28, 2009 Both! I had one tandem look out the window at about 8K and turn to me and say "Don't bother hooking me up! I'm not going!". I also had an AFF student on check-in for exit ask if she could try again if she rode the plane down. Not my only refusals, just the ones that stand out. My opinion, both tandem and AFF, No means No! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #6 August 28, 2009 The first AFF student I ever had go cluck cluck in the door was, ummmm, me... I got out that same day but the first look out the door really freaked me out cuz I am scared of heights and airplanes - now I am a senior instructor at a major DZ with 4,000 jumps, so I am very understanding when it comes to nerves. We have all been there at some level eh?Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #7 August 28, 2009 QuoteThe first AFF student I ever had go cluck cluck in the door was, ummmm, me... I got out that same day but the first look out the door really freaked me out cuz I am scared of heights and airplanes - now I am a senior instructor at a major DZ with 4,000 jumps, so I am very understanding when it comes to nerves. We have all been there at some level eh? canadian eh?Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #8 August 28, 2009 yep I had two tandems chicken out in the same week.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ketia0 0 #9 August 28, 2009 Quote Quote The first AFF student I ever had go cluck cluck in the door was, ummmm, me... I got out that same day but the first look out the door really freaked me out cuz I am scared of heights and airplanes - now I am a senior instructor at a major DZ with 4,000 jumps, so I am very understanding when it comes to nerves. We have all been there at some level eh? canadian eh? NO!!! He is Mexican!!!!!!! "In this game you can't predict the future. You just have to play the odds. "-JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SARLDO 0 #10 August 28, 2009 I will often strike up conversations with tandem passengers students and like to lighten the mood by reminding them that in the door, "No, No, No" sounds just like "Go, Go, Go" gets a chuckle now and then. I'm not an instructor but have looked back to see some folks who definately were reconsidering their recent decisions. "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest" ~Samuel Clemens MB#4300 Dudeist Skydiver #68 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
des 2 #11 August 29, 2009 i also had a girl say to me at 8000', "no way,i am not going",i said okay, no worries, but i have to hook u up cos the door will be open.after the others had left, i said lets go to the door and take an exit photo, ok, so we slide to the door, legs outside,thumbs up .and smiles for the camera,she then turns to me and says,"lets go"! she loved it. moral is not always is their 1st decision final. give them another chance or 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Granimal 0 #12 August 31, 2009 Yes to both. It's only been a few times but were situations where I would have had to use force to get an unwilling student to exit. That I will not do. Forcing a student to jump against his will is not only ethically wrong, but opens the instructor and the DZ to huge legal liability issues. A student being forced out is not waiving liability via informed consent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
