cutaway?

[gusto77 0]

So in military freefall school I was doin an O2 jump and to make a long story short I ended up with a floating ripcord and my O2 hose was preventing me from locating it. So I performed cutaway procedures. Since my main container never opened is this considered a cutaway or just a reserve pull? Just wonderin because someone said i owed beer for my first cutaway so I wanna make sure no one tries to get me again if i ever actually have to cutaway my main.

[AggieDave 6]

Did you cutaway? Yes? No?

No, you didn't. You will owe beer when you have a cutaway and not just a reserve ride.

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[icevideot 0]

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You will owe beer when you have a cutaway and not just a reserve ride.

Of course he might owe beer for his first reserve ride...

I don't know if the military beer rules are as comprehensive with "firsts" as the civilian rules are though.

To the OP, you seem to have done a good job opening something in either case. congrats

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[gusto77 0]

got it.. thanks!

[AggieDave 6]

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Of course he might owe beer for his first reserve ride..

I think he just might! Well, that and a bottle for his rigger!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[gusto77 0]

military beer rules for firsts are ridiculously comprehensive! I think the logic behind it being a cutaway is that a floating ripcord is considered a total malfunction... the rip cord is out of its housing and i guess technically the main pin could potentially free itself at any point so you pull the cutaway and reserve handles as with other malfunctions.

[AggieDave 6]

I think you actually owe another case of beer for questioning the beer rules.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[gusto77 0]

Apparently I owe beer for landing over the beer line and doin my first hybrid skydive at the DZ on Thursday as well. Im gonna be a poor dude at the end of all this.

[AggieDave 6]

When I got my tandem rating I bought a keg for the DZ. It saved me a lot of money!

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[mutumbo 0]

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When I got my tandem rating I bought a keg for the DZ. It saved me a lot of money!

see yeah that was my thoughts, how many firsts does a keg cover? it might be cheaper that way

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[AggieDave 6]

Here's some beer rule math for everyone:

US beer keg = 15.5 gallons = 128 oz/gal x 15.5 = 1984 oz

1 case = 12oz x 24 = 288 oz

So,

1 keg = 6.9 cases

1/2 keg = 3.2 cases

1/4 keg = 1.6 cases


Also,

a 1/2 keg is = 1/4 beer barrel because

a beer keg = 1/2 beer barrel and

1 beer barrel= 31 gallons 

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[mutumbo 0]

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Here's some beer rule math for everyone:

US beer keg = 15.5 gallons = 128 oz/gal x 15.5 = 1984 oz

1 case = 12oz x 24 = 288 oz

So,

1 keg = 6.9 cases

1/2 keg = 3.2 cases

1/4 keg = 1.6 cases


Also,

a 1/2 keg is = 1/4 beer barrel because

a beer keg = 1/2 beer barrel and

1 beer barrel= 31 gallons 

yup. whatever DZ i finish AFF school at and end up calling "home" will be getting a keg, just to cover all those first, mistakes, and other incidents that call for beer

Thanatos340(on landing rounds)--
Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet.

[Andy9o8 1]

Not arguing, just inquiring: were you taught to cut away with any total malfunction, or just certain ones, like floating ripcords?

[gusto77 0]

Yes.... after attempting one more time to correct the malfunction. i guess just so you do it the same everytime... why? is that technically wrong or potentially dangerous? The only other total malfunctions i can think of are pack closure and hard rip cord pull

[BIGUN 1,230]

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i guess just so you do it the same everytime... is that technically wrong or potentially dangerous?

Correct and No.

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[dninness 4]

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Apparently I owe beer for landing over the beer line and doin my first hybrid skydive at the DZ on Thursday as well. Im gonna be a poor dude at the end of all this.

Back when I was a young enlisted soldier, I had a t-shirt that said "I spent half my money on booze and women. The rest I just wasted."

Seems to me that you could replace "women" with "skydiving" in that phrase and it would still have a high degree of validity. And then there's the booze.

So unless you're doing a lot of drinking off the DZ, shouldn't be a factor, right? :)

Good job on the cutaway. There are several schools of thought on whether or not you cut away on a total or similar malfunction, but I say if you did what you were trained to do, on the equipment you were trained to do it on, you did good.

(minding the fact that sport gear and military FF gear have fairly different configurations and failure modes..)

NIN
D-19617, AFF-I '19

[Andy9o8 1]

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Yes.... after attempting one more time to correct the malfunction. i guess just so you do it the same everytime... why? is that technically wrong or potentially dangerous? The only other total malfunctions i can think of are pack closure and hard rip cord pull

Note: I'm not an instructor. I think it's important that a person follow his training while he's a newbie, and ultimately follow his muscle memory when he gets to the stage that he refines his EPs (should he so choose) to suit his own judgment and experience.

Whether or not to cut away in case of a total mal is an open issue of debate. In favor: same procedure and muscle memory in every instance. Opposed: cutting away in case of a total expends time, usually at low(er) altitude and terminal velocity, pulling the one handle that will not save your life. Although I was trained with the latter, I'm not trying to persuade you one way or the other.

[gusto77 0]

cool.... thanks for all the great replies everyone.

[icevideot 0]

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... cutting away in case of a total expends time, usually at low(er) altitude and terminal velocity, pulling the one handle that will not save your life. .

Your observation of the dabate is exactly as I understand it as well.

The only thing I would like people to consider is how much time it may take to decide whether or not to cutaway. It is sometimes faster to follow the procedure you have practiced the most than to decide and act on a deviation.

Both sides are valid depending on specifics of the situation. Just make it an informed decision and good luck.

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[mjosparky 4]

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cool.... thanks for all the great replies everyone.

Now this is a great reply. See attachment.

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[gusto77 0]

ok so that says: first cutaway/ reserve ride... so the case i bought for pulling my reserve on a total malfunction covers my first cutaway as well... right?

[BenediktDE 2]

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ok so that says: first cutaway/ reserve ride... so the case i bought for pulling my reserve on a total malfunction covers my first cutaway as well... right?

Sure, so you just have to buy beer for the reserve ride that follows. (Here you owe beer for every reserve.)

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[skyjumpenfool 2]

Corona please!

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[idodsick 0]

damn. so i owe for my first demo. thats going to cost me.

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[mjosparky 4]

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cool.... thanks for all the great replies everyone.

Now this is a great reply. See attachment.

Sparky

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Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals