RMK 3 #1 December 7, 2009 The December issue of Loop Magazine (a pilot/flying magazine) has a 10-page feature on jump ships. It may be possible to view the article on their website www.loop.aero"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2 December 7, 2009 "And how you can fly them on a PPL!" That will be an interesting read and I am sure will be a hot debate here, again. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #3 December 7, 2009 just don't carry jumpers ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kunosoura 0 #4 December 7, 2009 This is off-topic but this animated workup of the Hudson River ditching on the website linked above was very interesting. http://www.loop.aero/LPA1774/WATCH+THE+HUDSON+RIVER+DITCHING.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #5 December 8, 2009 Quote"And how you can fly them on a PPL!" That will be an interesting read and I am sure will be a hot debate here, again. It's a UK magazine, so as long as they are dealing with European airspace and registration the FAR's do not apply.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #6 December 8, 2009 very cool. thanks for posting that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James.UWE 0 #7 December 8, 2009 I'm probably wrong, but I think that you can fly jumpers on a PPL as long as you're not being paid. I think some people do it do build up hours? I'm sure there's more to it than that though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #8 December 8, 2009 QuoteI'm probably wrong, but I think that you can fly jumpers on a PPL as long as you're not being paid. I think some people do it do build up hours? I'm sure there's more to it than that though. If anyone is being paid, such as the DZO, then the pilot would be violating the FAR's. There was a case a few years back (non jumping related) where a pilot flew some people to party in the Bahamas (?). The person hosting the party was charging people to attend but the pilot flew a few guest to help out and did not get paid a cent. His license was suspended because someone was getting paid. This was an article in AOPA so I may be a little off on some of the details. On the other hand, if a private pilot flew jumpers and it was in no way related to a commercial operation, and he didn't charge more than a pro rated share of expenses, then it may be OK. But when dealing with the FAA, it's better to be safe than sorry. These are U.S. rules, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 December 8, 2009 QuoteBut when dealing with the FAA, it's better to be safe than sorry. Even when flying a UK registered plane in the UK, as discussed in a UK publication? Wow. I didn't realize the FAA was really that bad!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #10 December 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut when dealing with the FAA, it's better to be safe than sorry. Even when flying a UK registered plane in the UK, as discussed in a UK publication? Wow. I didn't realize the FAA was really that bad! Sorry, I didn't think I would have to explain that this was in reference to the U.S. I assumed most semi intelligent people would understand that. Obviously I was wrong. I don't think you will find a lot of private pilots from the UK flying people to a party in the Bahamas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #11 December 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut when dealing with the FAA, it's better to be safe than sorry. Even when flying a UK registered plane in the UK, as discussed in a UK publication? Wow. I didn't realize the FAA was really that bad! Now really... He begins with "But when dealing with the FAA..." He also pointed out that he is talking about rules in the USA, "These are U.S. rules, of course." If you are flying a UK registered aircraft, in the UK, then you are not dealing with the FAA. How clear does he have to make it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #12 December 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote But when dealing with the FAA, it's better to be safe than sorry. Even when flying a UK registered plane in the UK, as discussed in a UK publication? Wow. I didn't realize the FAA was really that bad! Now really... He begins with "But when dealing with the FAA..." He also pointed out that he is talking about rules in the USA, "These are U.S. rules, of course." If you are flying a UK registered aircraft, in the UK, then you are not dealing with the FAA. How clear does he have to make it? Just to be fair, I edited to add "these are U.S. rules, of course". Although I did add it before I read Dave's post. I was editing while he was posting. I thought I should add that in case there was some confusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 December 9, 2009 No confusion on my part. I was actually hoping that someone would explain the UK rules to see how they differ to the FAA.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #14 December 9, 2009 QuoteNo confusion on my part. It seems you were either confused about my original post applying to U.S. rules or you were deliberately being obtuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #15 December 9, 2009 Never mind all that shit,,,how was the article smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #16 December 11, 2009 The article does not seems to be on their webpage. I could not pick a copy up this month, does someone has the article scanned? blues, Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 599 #17 December 11, 2009 Which jump ships did they profile? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #18 December 11, 2009 Cessna 206 Britten-Norman Islander Cessna Caravan Shorts Skyvan Dornier G-92 DeHavilland Beaver Gippsland Airvan GAF Nomad Pilatus Porter? AN-2!Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 599 #19 December 14, 2009 " ... DeHavilland Beaver ..." with the original radial engine or was it a Turbo-Beaver? How many seats? Seats or benches? What type of seat belts? How fast did it climb? How high did it climb? What sort of steps or floater bars? Any tips on how to launch exits? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMK 3 #20 December 17, 2009 The editor of the magazine has provided me a PDF of the article however, it is a 5MB file even in low-res. Is it possible for the mods to accept this file and make a link for others to see? It is OK with the Editor of Loop Magazine to post a copy of the PDF."Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #21 December 17, 2009 If you are flying a UK registered aircraft, in the UK, then you are not dealing with the FAA. How clear does he have to make it? Riggerpaul, I can probably explain him better. I think some people are compelled to add insult whenever they see the opportunity. Its a mental thing and possible has something to do with low self esteemYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #22 January 15, 2010 Here is the article: Loop Article Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #23 January 15, 2010 QuoteHere is the article: Loop Article I'm shocked the Porter didn't even get an honorable mention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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