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NickDG

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Craig,

You helped me with the BASE Fatality List for years so I'm in for a few bucks on a regular basis.

Just let me know where to send it . . .

I miss not being able to search that database every time Howard posts one of his "What's this rig" questions . . .

NickD :)

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I'm pretty sure the below attachment shows the very beginning of rec.skydiving



No, actually. :)

The beginning is here, in 1988:

ftp://ftp.afn.org/skydive/rec.skydiving.archives/

Someone should maybe talk to these guys about this, because the Skydive! Archive site is down now, and there's no telling how long the ftp site will last. It would be a shame to lose the history if someone has a place to store it. (Note: I've got the whole mess downloaded, but that's not the same thing. And I haven't bothered to get the other stuff, like the dropzone reviews.)

archive.org has the Skydive! Archive here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.afn.org/skydive/

...but the posts from the the ftp site aren't collected, although the posts from '93 to '96 are:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020501075208/www.afn.org/skydive/usenet/



Hey RhondaLea,

I took the archives, put them in a searchable and threaded database, registered the domain name recskydiving.org and hosted it from home. I've since moved to an external host who's database space is a bit more frugal and it would cost me about $20 a month to host the data. Does anyone have a spare 150 MB of SQL Server space to spare (I guess it could be MySql with a bit of conversion)? Rest assured, the old stuff is archived somewhere!



I don't have the space, but I have $20 a month to contribute. I can PayPal you $20 at the end of the week, and at the end of this month, I'll send you the full amount for 2008.

Will that do?

Hugs,
me

P.S. Actually, I might have a site. Which works better for you? The money or the space?
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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>>The money or the space?
As always, Peaches, you're my kind of woman!

NickD :)



Good thing, because you've always been my kinda guy. ;)


You two get a room. What do you think this is Rec.Skydiving ?


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Remember "Mr. Mom" ?

He was always going off on how he hated the USPA.



And everything and everyone else too.



Ahhh...Mike's okay. He just loved (and probably still loves) being a curmudgeon. I still have my tee shirt:

"The only guarantee in skydiving..."

:)
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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>>The money or the space?
As always, Peaches, you're my kind of woman!

NickD :)



Good thing, because you've always been my kinda guy. ;)


You two get a room. What do you think this is Rec.Skydiving ?


Want to make it a three-way? ;)
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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Remember "Mr. Mom" ?

He was always going off on how he hated the USPA.



And everything and everyone else too.


Ahhh...Mike's okay. He just loved (and probably still loves) being a curmudgeon. I still have my tee shirt:

"The only guarantee in skydiving..."

:)


I've got one of those too (and that's kinda funny given some of his and my interactions). ;)

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Dave
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>>Want to make it a three-way? ;)
I'm making motel reservations for three as we speak!

But in all difference to the late Steve Fielding, I'm not going last.

However, I am more than willing to go low . . .

NickD :)



Oh my. That was excellent, Nick.

I'm sure we've nauseated everyone else, but for about 30 seconds there, I felt 12 years fall right off me.

I miss rec.skydiving.

rl
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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Remember "Mr. Mom" ?

He was always going off on how he hated the USPA.



And everything and everyone else too.


Ahhh...Mike's okay. He just loved (and probably still loves) being a curmudgeon. I still have my tee shirt:

"The only guarantee in skydiving..."

:)


I've got one of those too (and that's kinda funny given some of his and my interactions). ;)


It's because beneath that curmudgeonly exterior, he was/is a teddy bear. He's really one of the nicest, most caring guys I know. He just managed to do "fuckhead" really, really well online. :)

rl

(I'm sure if he hears about this, he'll want to kill me for giving him away.)
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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Remember "Mr. Mom" ?

He was always going off on how he hated the USPA.



And everything and everyone else too.


Ahhh...Mike's okay. He just loved (and probably still loves) being a curmudgeon. I still have my tee shirt:

"The only guarantee in skydiving..."

:)


I've got one of those too (and that's kinda funny given some of his and my interactions). ;)


It's because beneath that curmudgeonly exterior, he was/is a teddy bear. He's really one of the nicest, most caring guys I know. He just managed to do "fuckhead" really, really well online. :)

rl

(I'm sure if he hears about this, he'll want to kill me for giving him away.)


Are you talking about white-haired Mike Spurgeon? What is that dude up to these days?
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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Are you talking about white-haired Mike Spurgeon? What is that dude up to these days?



No, they are talking about Mr. O'Mara (hence the screen name). Mike Spurgeon is still jumping it would seem. This article popped up about him receently,

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Reunion full of surprises
Clay-Genoa Class of '57 back together after 50 years
By SHERI TRUSTY
News Herald correspondent

GENOA -- When the Clay-Genoa High School Class of 1957 was told that there would be a few surprises at its 50th reunion, they had no idea that one of them was going to fall right out of the sky.

As reunion attendants gathered at the American Legion Hall in Elmore on Sept. 22, they were summoned outside to see the spectacular entrance of former classmate Mike Spurgeon as he skydived onto the grounds behind the hall. "It was so thrilling to see him actually coming out of the sky," said reunion committee member Alice Siglar.

"He always told me that his dream was, on the 50th class reunion, to skydive into it," said Spurgeon's uncle, Jerry Spurgeon. Spurgeon went on to explain that his nephew, who is currently a skydiving instructor in California, stopped by the area prior to the reunion to look over the landing site and plan the jump.

The week of the reunion, he visited the Haar airport in Elmore to see about getting someone to fly for him. While he was there, a plane landed, and Mike shared his plans with the pilot. The pilot told him that he was from Temperance, Mich., but he would be happy to fly in on the day of the reunion.
"The pilot was really excited that someone was going to jump out of his plane at 3,000 feet," said Jerry. "He told Mike, 'I've never done anything like this!' " Siglar said, "I thought it was a strange coincidence that two perfect strangers would meet at the airport and become instant friends."

Spurgeon's skydiving entrance was only the beginning of a memorable evening that the reunion committee had been planning for months. Clay-Genoa alumni meet annually for reunions, but this was to be the last year that the class of 1957 was to meet individually, so the committee worked hard to make the evening particularly special.

The planning began when Siglar, the 1957 homecoming queen, was asked to be an attendant at the 2006 homecoming festivities. Her escort was Russell Schumacher, who was elected class president all four of their high school years. The evening got them thinking about their own 50th reunion. "Russ and I got together and we said, 'We've got to start planning this - we want a big bash.' "

And a big bash it was, as their day of remembering created even more memories for the group. Former teachers Chuck Johnson and Jim Firestone attended the reunion, which Johnson later described to Siglar as "the best I have ever attended."

The surprise keynote speaker was former classmate, Marty Lauer of Michigan, who is retired from the FBI, and the surprise entertainment was provided by former classmate Dale Aldrich.

"He sang the old country music to entertain us. He just has a wonderful voice," said Siglar.

The class of 1957 has lost 10 of its members, and as a means to honor them, the class established the Clay-Genoa High School Reunion Scholarship Fund as part of the Genoa Area Schools Scholarship Foundation. A donation of $600 was made in memory of deceased classmates.

A commemorative ornament was given to each family in attendance that evening. The reunion committee is grateful to Bench's Greenhouse in Elmore for its assistance in purchasing the ornaments at wholesale cost.

One classmate drops out of the sky, another surprises them with an evening of wonderful music and another regales them with tales of adventure with the FBI. The class of 1957 has shown that it's not only accomplished, but they know how to have a really good time.

One more time, the class of 1957 united for the friendships and laughter that have lasted fifty years.

"My heart has always been in this class," Siglar said. "That's what it's like being in a small school. Our classmates are so close."


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I don't have the space, but I have $20 a month to contribute. I can PayPal you $20 at the end of the week, and at the end of this month, I'll send you the full amount for 2008.

Will that do?

Hugs,
me



Thanks guys. I've had a couple of offers for some database space so I think I'll be okay. Might take me a couple of weeks to get it back up though.
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Remember "Mr. Mom" ?

He was always going off on how he hated the USPA.

He was so ahead of the times . . .

NickD :)



When I first found the wreck in 99, Mike wasn't the only one going off about the USPA....he was just one of the more um, vocal ones.;)
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I don't have the space, but I have $20 a month to contribute. I can PayPal you $20 at the end of the week, and at the end of this month, I'll send you the full amount for 2008.

Will that do?

Hugs,
me



Thanks guys. I've had a couple of offers for some database space so I think I'll be okay. Might take me a couple of weeks to get it back up though.



And it's back!

It actually turned out to only be about 50 MB of space and not as prohibitive as I thought to host ($6 a month for the extra space), so I'm hosting it myself. Thanks for the offers of space guys. Enjoy!
Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live

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Don't anybody fret about the demise of rec.skydiving

This place is no different. It just has a nicer front end and a few moderators to round off some of the rough edges (on the few occaisions that they can be actually bothered to do so consistently). It's still the same loose collection of trolls, goons, and 50 jump wonders that made rec dot the delightful place it was.

Then, just like rec dot, there's the 10% of people who know what they are talking about and whose posts are worth reading. The trick on usenet was the judicious use of kill files. The trick here seems to be a restained mouse clicking hand, and avoidance of Speakers Corner at all costs.

(On another note, Speaker's Corner in London was famed as place where you were, are still are, allowed to get up and say just about anything you like. The use of moderators in SC seems to be conterintuitive to that heritage.)

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(On another note, Speaker's Corner in London was famed as place where you were, are still are, allowed to get up and say just about anything you like. The use of moderators in SC seems to be conterintuitive to that heritage.)



One thing is omitted from that concept by the internet, proximity. Standing on a corner facing a crowd, about 95% of the posters would not speak as offensively as they write (more than once).

Eventually, Wreck lost what I perceive to be the original intent of skydiving - fun. It became a flamefest where one poster, with 200 poorly executed jumps, would attack any random poster and then two more would jump in.

The signal to noise ratio became so poor that it was valueless to post there, or in my case, even read it.

Probably the most telling fact of all is that people did leave.

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All these posts over all this time on this, and I'm surprised that no one has also mentioned NippleBoy! The original wreck-dot troll!

How about all the spirited Martin Evans "debates"? Winsor was there. The Prof was there. RL, of course. Many as well, as RL points out who (I don't think even made it over here) who will be both remembered, and still to this day (JanDevil, et al :() sorely missed.

Scrumpot was back then the much "quieter", and much more newby "Orange-Splat" :)

Ahhh, nostalgia. It just aint what it used to be! ;)

coitus non circum - Moab Stone

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All these posts over all this time on this, and I'm surprised that no one has also mentioned NippleBoy! The original wreck-dot troll!

How about all the spirited Martin Evans "debates"? Winsor was there. The Prof was there. RL, of course. Many as well, as RL points out who (I don't think even made it over here) who will be both remembered, and still to this day (JanDevil, et al :() sorely missed.

Scrumpot was back then the much "quieter", and much more newby "Orange-Splat" :)

Ahhh, nostalgia. It just aint what it used to be! ;)



And Treetops too. He had a large portion of Speakers Corner topics in there as well, IIRC
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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What has ever happened to good ol' Mr. Jardine, anyway? Remember the big "Proxy-conspiracy" and take-over USPA days where he was gonna become self-appointed king of us all? :D:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r: I actually went to one of the USPA meetings once (back when they were on the 2nd floor above that bowling alley place) at his "peak", and believe he MAY have once, maybe even garnered I think... maybe 8 total proxies for his efforts. Still at least TRIED to stir the h** while he was there, none-the-less. Snuffy Smith I think too, even came to one of those meetings, IIRC. Fun daze indeed.

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