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To accomplish anything you need to lose the chip on your shoulder and admit to yourself there is a problem.
There are more opportunities for education available today then at any time in the history of the sport. Particularly in canopy control. You have formal classes, books, DVD’s and mentorship at most DZ’s.
Yet the carnage continues at an alarming rate. Going small and then going big is an attitude and culture of lemmings. They all want to be like the “big boys” but are too fucking lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to develop the skill needed. So they proceed to kill and maim themselves and often take other with them. You made reference to dz.com being immature; this is the pinnacle of immature, spoiled brats doing what they want regardless of consequence.
My suggestion would be to enact a few very reasonable rules that would be agreeable to all but a few idiots. The main emphases would be being a threat to others. Then enforce them without exception. Make sure that the consequences of stepping outside of reason are harsh. First time grounded for 30 days, second time grounded for 6 months, third time you are gone for good. We would probably lose a few jumpers but that is already happening.
Sparky
There are more opportunities for education available today then at any time in the history of the sport. Particularly in canopy control. You have formal classes, books, DVD’s and mentorship at most DZ’s.
Yet the carnage continues at an alarming rate. Going small and then going big is an attitude and culture of lemmings. They all want to be like the “big boys” but are too fucking lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to develop the skill needed. So they proceed to kill and maim themselves and often take other with them. You made reference to dz.com being immature; this is the pinnacle of immature, spoiled brats doing what they want regardless of consequence.
My suggestion would be to enact a few very reasonable rules that would be agreeable to all but a few idiots. The main emphases would be being a threat to others. Then enforce them without exception. Make sure that the consequences of stepping outside of reason are harsh. First time grounded for 30 days, second time grounded for 6 months, third time you are gone for good. We would probably lose a few jumpers but that is already happening.
Sparky
My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals
apparently, it's mostly the "old and wise" jumpers hooking themselves in; i believe you are contradicting yourself..
anyway, this is the internet, and i'd rather trust my local mentors or coaches than anyone from here..
BTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
anyway, this is the internet, and i'd rather trust my local mentors or coaches than anyone from here..
BTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
QuoteBTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
Brilliant, what’s that say about us?
But I have an excuse, I am retired and no longer jump. So that leaves just you.
Sparky
My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals
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2.7k jumps over 35 years and over 10k posts..
I don't think you're current enough to give out any credible advice other than telling "back in the day" stories 
"All limits are self imposed." Icarus
QuoteQuoteBTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
Brilliant, what’s that say about us?
But I have an excuse, I am retired and no longer jump. So that leaves just you.
Sparky
got anything else to say to the rest of my post!?
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
QuoteBTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
What are you talking about? There are some top level canopy pilots around. Ian is on the PDFT (they're "kinda" good canopy pilots). Even Windmiller posts, although a bit less than he used to.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
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Yet we don't see Nick or Jay post here
"All limits are self imposed." Icarus
QuoteYet we don't see Nick or Jay post here
So?
I would argue that Jay would say about the same thing as Nick to a jumper with 200 jumps trying to jump a Katana 135 (for example). Which would be about the same answer that Scott and Bobo have. Which is similar to the answer that Ian has given on the subject.
There really isn't a magic trick when it comes to canopy piloting. There are some fundamentals that must to be mastered before moving on and those are refined to a fine edge over the course of thousands of jumps.
This sport is littered with death and life changing injuries from the people who thought there was a short cut.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
Why waste your breath on "that guy"? He's unable to listen and learn.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
chuckakers 370
QuoteQuoteThere really isn't a magic trick when it comes to canopy piloting. There are some fundamentals that must to be mastered before moving on and those are refined to a fine edge over the course of thousands of jumps.
Well said. +1Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
QuoteQuoteBTW, i dont know if you've noticed, but most of the REALLY good fliers, be them canopy pilots or whatever, hardly ever post on here.
What are you talking about? There are some top level canopy pilots around. Ian is on the PDFT (they're "kinda" good canopy pilots). Even Windmiller posts, although a bit less than he used to.
so, same question to you as to sparky which he never replied to: why does it seem it's mostly skydivers with THOUSANDS of jumps hooking themselves in and sometimes killing others in the process!?
you know, it's not that i disagree completely with what you guys have to say, not at all.
apparently, having learned over the "course of thousands of jumps" doesnt save you from dying under a perfectly good canopy.
and whenever this is brought up, the forum goes completely silent..
^^i have an idea why that is.. but i'd like to hear it from someone else.
besides, i think ian hasnt only broken bones once but twice IIRC.
would you tell ian he should upsize!?
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
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Teenie rigs make your @$$ look FAT!
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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