jsreznor 0 #1 December 22, 2010 Browsing slickdeals.com and saw a link for a Groupon that linked to Sportations.com for cheap tandems. http://slickdeals.net/localdeal/58747/119-for-skydiving-session-from-sportations-up-to-349-value http://www.sportations.com/product_listings.php?typeName=Skydiving&flash=y They are REALLY vague about dropzones. Anyone know anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #2 December 22, 2010 Domain Name: SPORTATIONS.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS1.HOSTMONSTER.COM Name Server: NS2.HOSTMONSTER.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-may-2010 Creation Date: 13-apr-2010 Expiration Date: 13-apr-2012My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #3 December 22, 2010 QuoteBrowsing slickdeals.com and saw a link for a Groupon that linked to Sportations.com for cheap tandems. http://slickdeals.net/localdeal/58747/119-for-skydiving-session-from-sportations-up-to-349-value http://www.sportations.com/product_listings.php?typeName=Skydiving&flash=y They are REALLY vague about dropzones. Anyone know anything? If it smells funny, there may be a reason. Apparently Sportations is part of another group that starts with S Read this http://sportations.net/"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 December 22, 2010 I did notice that the Tandem link was for SlyRide. Cary's relative wrote the review. Did you notice that: Regular price: $337 Yep, SlyRide.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #5 December 22, 2010 Check this out: http://whois.domaintools.com/66.223.16.236 That is the IP address that the Sportations.com website is hosted on. It looks like Skyride has a dedicated server that is hosting almost 1000 domains.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsreznor 0 #6 December 22, 2010 I just sent slickdeals an email alerting them to this nonesense. Don't these Slyride guys get the hint yet? Also, go visit slickdeals.net. Incredible deals scoured from all over the internet, condensed into one awesome site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #7 December 22, 2010 Quote Don't these Slyride guys get the hint yet? I'm convinced that they probably are making and hiding/laundering as much money as they can (probably offshore) before they finally have to disappear and go underground under assumed names to some remote corner of the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #8 December 22, 2010 Quote If it smells funny, there may be a reason. Apparently Sportations is part of another group that starts with S Read this http://sportations.net/ Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #9 December 22, 2010 Quote If it smells funny, there may be a reason. Apparently Sportations is part of another group that starts with S Read this http://sportations.net/ Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tmarine253 0 #10 December 25, 2010 I love the description on slickdeals, "wave at passing birds." Haha. But seriously do any DZ's actually charge 280-350 for a tandem? And another serious question. How come the disclaimer it says max male weight is 270 and max female weight is 220, does it really make a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #11 December 26, 2010 QuoteI love the description on slickdeals, "wave at passing birds." Haha. But seriously do any DZ's actually charge 280-350 for a tandem? And another serious question. How come the disclaimer it says max male weight is 270 and max female weight is 220, does it really make a difference? cause nobody wants to jump with fat chicks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tmarine253 0 #12 December 26, 2010 Haha. But is there actually a hazard where the weight has to be different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #13 December 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteI love the description on slickdeals, "wave at passing birds." Haha. But seriously do any DZ's actually charge 280-350 for a tandem? And another serious question. How come the disclaimer it says max male weight is 270 and max female weight is 220, does it really make a difference? cause nobody wants to jump with fat chicks! That whole site is another version of the sLyride scam! Most likely, it's an effort of Cary Q to hide or shift his assets to keep from losing them in the Eloy case.Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 0 #14 December 26, 2010 "And another serious question. How come the disclaimer it says max male weight is 270 and max female weight is 220, does it really make a difference?" I'm not defending the thievery of this outfit. However, there is a valid reason behind the different weights. Muscle is more dense than fat. Men have more of it, & more bone mass to boot. Ergo, a 220# female tub = a 270# male tub. They'll be about the same liability in the air (i.e.: unable to lift legs high enough for landing, problems w/arching, etc...). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #15 March 6, 2011 Sportations just started another Tandem deal throgu Groupon in the Tampa Bay area. $119 tandem jumps at Chalet Suzanne, just great. That is the third Groupon tandem deal in Tampa area in 6 months. Talk about polluting the market Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #16 March 6, 2011 that's the top-level whois record, use: `whois [email protected]` to get the full record ---- cut here ---- Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: SPORTATIONS.COM Created on: 13-Apr-10 Expires on: 13-Apr-12 Last Updated on: 05-May-10 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration [email protected] Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Technical Contact: Private, Registration [email protected] Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.HOSTMONSTER.COM NS2.HOSTMONSTER.COM ---- cut here ---- QuoteDomain Name: SPORTATIONS.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS1.HOSTMONSTER.COM Name Server: NS2.HOSTMONSTER.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-may-2010 Creation Date: 13-apr-2010 Expiration Date: 13-apr-2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #17 March 6, 2011 QuoteSportations just started another Tandem deal throgu Groupon in the Tampa Bay area. $119 tandem jumps at Chalet Suzanne, just great. That is the third Groupon tandem deal in Tampa area in 6 months. Talk about polluting the market These deals seem too good to be true. They certainly appear to be unsustainable in the long run. There is something that vendors using Groupons need to know. This is explained on Groupons website Terms Para 3 at bottom Quote According to applicable law, the Merchant may be responsible for allowing you to redeem your Voucher for the cash value based on the money you actually paid for your Voucher (i.e. if you paid $20 for a Voucher which gives you $50 of value to the Merchant, the cash value that you paid is $20, not $50), for a period of time that extends beyond the expiration date on the Voucher. While the expiration date on the Voucher dictates the last date that you can use your Voucher at Merchant for the promotional offer stated on the Groupon, applicable law may provide that the Merchant is responsible for honoring the cash value that you paid for your Voucher for a period of time beyond the expiration date stated on the Voucher. In other words, you should be allowed to redeem the cash value (or purchase price) of your Voucher up until the greater of: (1) the Voucher’s expiration date; or (2) the minimum length of time allowed by applicable law for a Voucher to expire. In the event that you have an expired Voucher and would like to redeem it for the price you paid to acquire it, please contact the Merchant. Once again, the Merchant should allow such redemption if applicable law requires it, and we have instructed the Merchant to do so. If you have gone to the Merchant and the Merchant has refused to redeem the cash value of your expired Voucher, and if applicable law entitles you to such redemption, then please contact Groupon [and explain your situation in writing] and Groupon will refund the purchase price of the Voucher in either U.S. Dollars or credit for purchases of future Vouchers from Groupon (presently known as “Gs”). Applicable law includes and is not limited to 2009 Credit Card Act that says this about gift cards (and Groupons are gift cards) "Prohibits retailers from setting expiration dates less than 5 years after the card is purchased." Say you or a customer buys a Groupon and pays $125 for a $250 tandem with an expiration date 1 year from the deal date. The customer comes in after the expiration date. The vendor MUST honor the amount paid by the customer, in cash if he wants it, for a time period up to 5 years from date of purchase. The vendor must honor the 'deal' up until the expiration date. IOW, you might be paying a Groupon customer the cash value of what he paid for it 5 years after the purchase. That means the vendor loses. Cash value - Groupon take - 3rd party take =~ 60-70% of the cash value (if that). You'd be paying out $125 when you only took in ~$85. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #18 March 6, 2011 The nice people at Groupon knows about the Sportations scam, so would they be aiding and abetting the crimes of sportations/sLyride?Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #19 March 13, 2011 QuoteThe nice people at Groupon knows about the Sportations scam, so would they be aiding and abetting the crimes of sportations/sLyride? It would appear that you may be correct and it also appears that you are giving them hell in their Groupon forum. Maybe some of our other jumpers can get in there and add to the truth about Sportations and their ties to the Skyride scam. http://www.groupon.com/deals/sportations-washington-dc/postsThere will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 March 13, 2011 QuoteIt would appear that you may be correct and it also appears that you are giving them hell in their Groupon forum. Maybe some of our other jumpers can get in there and add to the truth about Sportations and their ties to the Skyride scam. http://www.groupon.com/deals/sportations-washington-dc/posts That's a hilarious thread to read, with the Sportations folks being forced to respond in such a nice, sweet manner to the scam accusations made against them. It's fun to watch how long it takes them to finally admit the location of the drop zone, and the type of aircraft available at that drop zone. Ha! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alabamaskydiver 0 #21 March 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt would appear that you may be correct and it also appears that you are giving them hell in their Groupon forum. Maybe some of our other jumpers can get in there and add to the truth about Sportations and their ties to the Skyride scam. http://www.groupon.com/deals/sportations-washington-dc/posts That's a hilarious thread to read, with the Sportations folks being forced to respond in such a nice, sweet manner to the scam accusations made against them. It's fun to watch how long it takes them to finally admit the location of the drop zone, and the type of aircraft available at that drop zone. Ha! You would be correct sir! That is some funny stuff, especially how they keep avoiding answering the questions by who I am assuming is Jumpdude and a few others. Those guys have got them on the run for sure! If we really want to do something that can help stop the crimes of Skyride, go to the following link and file a complaint. https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #22 March 14, 2011 This email may help. [email protected]There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 13 #23 March 15, 2011 It's pretty funny that they now have the "psycho-babble" chick talking you down from your mania. The text of that is interesting in that it is so non-specific about "your problem", that it may be a cut-and-paste from their company manual for dealing with someone presenting evidence that they don't like. Kevin K. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #24 March 15, 2011 That thread is a hoot, but what's not a hoot is the 1457 people who bought tandems through the deal. This is for a DZ that is flying a Cessna of some sort, and can expect to turn about 4 tandems an hour, so they'll need 365 hours of non-stop flying to service all those customers. Even if you generously give them 12 hours of jumping per day, that's 30 days of solid jumping to service all those customers. Factor in weather, and people who can only jump weekends, there is going to be a long, long, long waiting list for those tandems. On top of it all, to the best of our knowledge, Groupon sucks up close to half of the purchase price, and then add in what ever 'Sportations' is going to get, what does the DZ end up with? What they end up with is a months-long waiting list of pre-paid people wanting to jump at a price the DZ is going to either be losing money on, or best-case-scenario, just breaking even. What are the odds this DZ can survive the season? I guess they could limit the number of Groupon customers they'll schedule on any one day, leaving slots open for full price customers, but even if they only fill half of the slots with Groupon customers, that half will eat into the profits of the full price customers such that the DZ is working for half price at the end of the day. It's sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #25 March 15, 2011 Quote It's pretty funny that they now have the "psycho-babble" chick talking you down from your mania. The text of that is interesting in that it is so non-specific about "your problem", that it may be a cut-and-paste from their company manual for dealing with someone presenting evidence that they don't like. Kevin K. Yeah, I'm still laughing my ass off about that!! They know they are on the hot seat, and I guess they will stop at nothing to keep up their scam. Ahh, the luxury of posting in a non moderated forum! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
