mattjw916 2 #126 August 19, 2004 yeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 1 #127 August 19, 2004 I think he was scared to jump his own pack job....Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #128 August 19, 2004 I was sitting next to Chuckie when this occurred and I don't have much to add except to say that people are always talking about how they don't want more regulation in this sport. It appears as though neither of these people gave any thought to the impact that their so called stunt may have on the rest of the skydiving community. More shall be revealed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fields 0 #129 August 19, 2004 guy on left in red shirt. http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=30254"And the sky is blue and righteous in every direction" Survivor Chuck Palahniuk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #130 August 20, 2004 Not who I thought he was, but I know him. Nice guy. That's a good picture of Jaime, the guy on the right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #131 August 20, 2004 Thanks Mike. The only problem I have with it is time and place. Wrong time wrong place otherwise it would have been a kick arse jump. Envelope pushing is what some people do. I certain landing a biplane was seen as stupid and radical when it was 1st done. And would have been insance to have done it at the WFFC Live and Let DieYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alanab 0 #132 August 20, 2004 QuoteNot who I thought he was, but I know him. Nice guy. That's a good picture of Jaime, the guy on the right. who is jamie? i feel like i know him or saw him somewhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #133 August 20, 2004 Jamie Is FIREFLYR He's also in a picture in Skydiving doing his Level 1 with Me and Ghdiver as his Instructors, and also in last months issue in a picture from the Perrine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #134 August 20, 2004 I must say that this act was insane... (mutha fu#@ers beat me to it!) Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! And to everyone else who feels a need to condemn their actions... don't speak, but listen and learn from people who will drive this sport past the safety of your living room. I don't know Sluggo, but I know Mr. Bill very well. He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) We advance this sport by exceding the norm. Someday I'll land without using my parachute too... I have no desire to debate this topic... those who understand my thoughts, know. Those who do not, never will. Full speed ahead my friends... God-speed! Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #135 August 20, 2004 QuoteI have no desire to debate this topic... those who understand my thoughts, know. I understand your thoughts. Thank you for that comment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #136 August 20, 2004 Quotewho is jamie? i feel like i know him or saw him somewhere. Alana ... Jamie was at the Eloy holiday boogie. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivingLegend 0 #137 August 20, 2004 Quote .....and I got paid by the Army to do it. Thats the killer, cant argue with getting paid for it. Its funny coz my old man thinks that unless you are getting paid for jumping you are an idiot - period! ________________________________________ 1.618 ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivingLegend 0 #138 August 20, 2004 Quote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. ________________________________________ 1.618 ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #139 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. See, I told you you didn't get it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PBRStreetGang 0 #140 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. I think its you thats not getting it Jim. All hes trying to say is that peoples talent and ability varies greatly so its perfectly feasible for someone with 300 jumps to be better than someone with 500 for example. Dont be so defensive about your jump number dude! He is to you what you are to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #141 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote .....and I got paid by the Army to do it. Thats the killer, cant argue with getting paid for it. Its funny coz my old man thinks that unless you are getting paid for jumping you are an idiot - period! My Granddad who passed away in 95 used to think anyone who jumped out of a plane was a complete idiot, paid or not. He landed on Utah Beach during WWII as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant, was shot through the hip at the Battle of the Bulge, received a purple heart, bronze star, and silver star for gallantry in action. He also received a battlefield commission and finished out his tour there as a 1st lieutenant. He was an extremely brave man but couldn't understand jumping out of a plane in the slightest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #142 August 20, 2004 QuoteDont be so defensive about your jump number dude! It's not about jump numbers, not at all, it's not about talent, either - at least not directly. It's about experience. Experience, in my opinion, comes from jump numbers and time in the sport. The point I've been trying to make - and I'll concede that I may have been doing it poorly - is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). I'll also suggest that someone with 100 jumps has neither the experience or talent to safely repeat this stunt. Do it once, it's luck; do it twice, it's pushing your luck; do it three times, you might be on to something . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 186 #143 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. If you are pretending to be clueless, you are most convincing. At best you sound petulant. It is not purely down to jump numbers - there are people who have 1,000 jumps, and those who have 100 jumps ten times - but jump numbers can generally give a pretty good idea of what is one's perspective, regardless of innate ability. Talent is all well and good, and some people can have extensive experience without catching on. All skydivers are not created equal. Nevertheless, people with the ego level necessary to skydive tend to confuse luck with ability. After sticking around a while, the difference can become more apparent. I've known too many "naturals" who are no longer in the sport because they pushed their luck too long and it ran out. Life is a series of lessons - the ones you miss get repeated and get harder. Some are not surviveable the first time around. FWIW, I thought the Mr. Bill was a lot more impressive than the LOW opening, and generally agree with Chris. I'm not sure that I'm all that confident that one or both of these guys won't guess wrong and try something that is, in fact, fatal, but my reaction while watching it was anything but righteous indignation. I don't feel like trying to duplicate their results, but thought it was great entertainment. As an aside, I will be interested if your standpoint remains the same if you stick around long enough to achieve some kind of senior status. Nobody I know has done so, but you may be different. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #150 August 20, 2004 Quotecrotchal region Does that have something to do with Croatia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Jimbo 0 #139 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. See, I told you you didn't get it. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PBRStreetGang 0 #140 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. I think its you thats not getting it Jim. All hes trying to say is that peoples talent and ability varies greatly so its perfectly feasible for someone with 300 jumps to be better than someone with 500 for example. Dont be so defensive about your jump number dude! He is to you what you are to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #141 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote .....and I got paid by the Army to do it. Thats the killer, cant argue with getting paid for it. Its funny coz my old man thinks that unless you are getting paid for jumping you are an idiot - period! My Granddad who passed away in 95 used to think anyone who jumped out of a plane was a complete idiot, paid or not. He landed on Utah Beach during WWII as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant, was shot through the hip at the Battle of the Bulge, received a purple heart, bronze star, and silver star for gallantry in action. He also received a battlefield commission and finished out his tour there as a 1st lieutenant. He was an extremely brave man but couldn't understand jumping out of a plane in the slightest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #142 August 20, 2004 QuoteDont be so defensive about your jump number dude! It's not about jump numbers, not at all, it's not about talent, either - at least not directly. It's about experience. Experience, in my opinion, comes from jump numbers and time in the sport. The point I've been trying to make - and I'll concede that I may have been doing it poorly - is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). I'll also suggest that someone with 100 jumps has neither the experience or talent to safely repeat this stunt. Do it once, it's luck; do it twice, it's pushing your luck; do it three times, you might be on to something . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 186 #143 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. If you are pretending to be clueless, you are most convincing. At best you sound petulant. It is not purely down to jump numbers - there are people who have 1,000 jumps, and those who have 100 jumps ten times - but jump numbers can generally give a pretty good idea of what is one's perspective, regardless of innate ability. Talent is all well and good, and some people can have extensive experience without catching on. All skydivers are not created equal. Nevertheless, people with the ego level necessary to skydive tend to confuse luck with ability. After sticking around a while, the difference can become more apparent. I've known too many "naturals" who are no longer in the sport because they pushed their luck too long and it ran out. Life is a series of lessons - the ones you miss get repeated and get harder. Some are not surviveable the first time around. FWIW, I thought the Mr. Bill was a lot more impressive than the LOW opening, and generally agree with Chris. I'm not sure that I'm all that confident that one or both of these guys won't guess wrong and try something that is, in fact, fatal, but my reaction while watching it was anything but righteous indignation. I don't feel like trying to duplicate their results, but thought it was great entertainment. As an aside, I will be interested if your standpoint remains the same if you stick around long enough to achieve some kind of senior status. Nobody I know has done so, but you may be different. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. 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PBRStreetGang 0 #140 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. I think its you thats not getting it Jim. All hes trying to say is that peoples talent and ability varies greatly so its perfectly feasible for someone with 300 jumps to be better than someone with 500 for example. Dont be so defensive about your jump number dude! He is to you what you are to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #141 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote .....and I got paid by the Army to do it. Thats the killer, cant argue with getting paid for it. Its funny coz my old man thinks that unless you are getting paid for jumping you are an idiot - period! My Granddad who passed away in 95 used to think anyone who jumped out of a plane was a complete idiot, paid or not. He landed on Utah Beach during WWII as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant, was shot through the hip at the Battle of the Bulge, received a purple heart, bronze star, and silver star for gallantry in action. He also received a battlefield commission and finished out his tour there as a 1st lieutenant. He was an extremely brave man but couldn't understand jumping out of a plane in the slightest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #142 August 20, 2004 QuoteDont be so defensive about your jump number dude! It's not about jump numbers, not at all, it's not about talent, either - at least not directly. It's about experience. Experience, in my opinion, comes from jump numbers and time in the sport. The point I've been trying to make - and I'll concede that I may have been doing it poorly - is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). I'll also suggest that someone with 100 jumps has neither the experience or talent to safely repeat this stunt. Do it once, it's luck; do it twice, it's pushing your luck; do it three times, you might be on to something . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 186 #143 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. If you are pretending to be clueless, you are most convincing. At best you sound petulant. It is not purely down to jump numbers - there are people who have 1,000 jumps, and those who have 100 jumps ten times - but jump numbers can generally give a pretty good idea of what is one's perspective, regardless of innate ability. Talent is all well and good, and some people can have extensive experience without catching on. All skydivers are not created equal. Nevertheless, people with the ego level necessary to skydive tend to confuse luck with ability. After sticking around a while, the difference can become more apparent. I've known too many "naturals" who are no longer in the sport because they pushed their luck too long and it ran out. Life is a series of lessons - the ones you miss get repeated and get harder. Some are not surviveable the first time around. FWIW, I thought the Mr. Bill was a lot more impressive than the LOW opening, and generally agree with Chris. I'm not sure that I'm all that confident that one or both of these guys won't guess wrong and try something that is, in fact, fatal, but my reaction while watching it was anything but righteous indignation. I don't feel like trying to duplicate their results, but thought it was great entertainment. As an aside, I will be interested if your standpoint remains the same if you stick around long enough to achieve some kind of senior status. Nobody I know has done so, but you may be different. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #150 August 20, 2004 Quotecrotchal region Does that have something to do with Croatia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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pajarito 0 #141 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote .....and I got paid by the Army to do it. Thats the killer, cant argue with getting paid for it. Its funny coz my old man thinks that unless you are getting paid for jumping you are an idiot - period! My Granddad who passed away in 95 used to think anyone who jumped out of a plane was a complete idiot, paid or not. He landed on Utah Beach during WWII as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant, was shot through the hip at the Battle of the Bulge, received a purple heart, bronze star, and silver star for gallantry in action. He also received a battlefield commission and finished out his tour there as a 1st lieutenant. He was an extremely brave man but couldn't understand jumping out of a plane in the slightest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #142 August 20, 2004 QuoteDont be so defensive about your jump number dude! It's not about jump numbers, not at all, it's not about talent, either - at least not directly. It's about experience. Experience, in my opinion, comes from jump numbers and time in the sport. The point I've been trying to make - and I'll concede that I may have been doing it poorly - is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). I'll also suggest that someone with 100 jumps has neither the experience or talent to safely repeat this stunt. Do it once, it's luck; do it twice, it's pushing your luck; do it three times, you might be on to something . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 186 #143 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. If you are pretending to be clueless, you are most convincing. At best you sound petulant. It is not purely down to jump numbers - there are people who have 1,000 jumps, and those who have 100 jumps ten times - but jump numbers can generally give a pretty good idea of what is one's perspective, regardless of innate ability. Talent is all well and good, and some people can have extensive experience without catching on. All skydivers are not created equal. Nevertheless, people with the ego level necessary to skydive tend to confuse luck with ability. After sticking around a while, the difference can become more apparent. I've known too many "naturals" who are no longer in the sport because they pushed their luck too long and it ran out. Life is a series of lessons - the ones you miss get repeated and get harder. Some are not surviveable the first time around. FWIW, I thought the Mr. Bill was a lot more impressive than the LOW opening, and generally agree with Chris. I'm not sure that I'm all that confident that one or both of these guys won't guess wrong and try something that is, in fact, fatal, but my reaction while watching it was anything but righteous indignation. I don't feel like trying to duplicate their results, but thought it was great entertainment. As an aside, I will be interested if your standpoint remains the same if you stick around long enough to achieve some kind of senior status. Nobody I know has done so, but you may be different. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #150 August 20, 2004 Quotecrotchal region Does that have something to do with Croatia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Jimbo 0 #142 August 20, 2004 QuoteDont be so defensive about your jump number dude! It's not about jump numbers, not at all, it's not about talent, either - at least not directly. It's about experience. Experience, in my opinion, comes from jump numbers and time in the sport. The point I've been trying to make - and I'll concede that I may have been doing it poorly - is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). I'll also suggest that someone with 100 jumps has neither the experience or talent to safely repeat this stunt. Do it once, it's luck; do it twice, it's pushing your luck; do it three times, you might be on to something . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #143 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I think this is almost like explaining skydiving to a whuffo. You don't get it now, and that's OK and even expected. Like I said - wait a few years and you'll realize just how wrong your statement really is. Fair comment. You are totally missing my point I think but I will take your advice for now that talent is meaningless in skydiving, its purely down to jump numbers. If I disagree in 5 years time Ill let you know. If you are pretending to be clueless, you are most convincing. At best you sound petulant. It is not purely down to jump numbers - there are people who have 1,000 jumps, and those who have 100 jumps ten times - but jump numbers can generally give a pretty good idea of what is one's perspective, regardless of innate ability. Talent is all well and good, and some people can have extensive experience without catching on. All skydivers are not created equal. Nevertheless, people with the ego level necessary to skydive tend to confuse luck with ability. After sticking around a while, the difference can become more apparent. I've known too many "naturals" who are no longer in the sport because they pushed their luck too long and it ran out. Life is a series of lessons - the ones you miss get repeated and get harder. Some are not surviveable the first time around. FWIW, I thought the Mr. Bill was a lot more impressive than the LOW opening, and generally agree with Chris. I'm not sure that I'm all that confident that one or both of these guys won't guess wrong and try something that is, in fact, fatal, but my reaction while watching it was anything but righteous indignation. I don't feel like trying to duplicate their results, but thought it was great entertainment. As an aside, I will be interested if your standpoint remains the same if you stick around long enough to achieve some kind of senior status. Nobody I know has done so, but you may be different. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #150 August 20, 2004 Quotecrotchal region Does that have something to do with Croatia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
hookitt 0 #144 August 20, 2004 Take a look at the video, at the very end, McBain is holding his crotchal region. It appears the extra weight of having John on his shoulders was overlooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 1 #145 August 20, 2004 That Video kicks ass! Kinda like the first Back Flip on a motorcycle. Someone had to have the balls to try it to show it could be done. Everyone may not like the fact they did it where they did but from what I read in the "stupidest thing saw" this rates as "BAD ASS THINGS SAW" but hell I grew up idolizing Evil Knievel and would jump anything I could put a Ramp in front of. If I was 15 years Younger that is a stunt I most definatly would be all about trying. Period. That is as honest as I can get. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #146 August 20, 2004 Quoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #147 August 20, 2004 Quote Kudos to a couple of guys who pulled it off successfully! Tru-dat! I that's something I totally left out of my first post. Congrats! Quote... He measured the risks... (weather hold-perfect time...lighter winds, almost NO traffic-maybe 15 other canopies in the air...they were open higher and many of the other canopies already on the ground... if you were not there, quit playing armchair QB!) And by the sounds of it, most that are condemning this stunt say it's because of the landing area and the traffic involved. Sounds like that was well thought-out and accomodated for. But how was there both a weather hold and light winds? Does it mean there was overcast and all were doing H n' Ps? QuoteSomeday I'll land without using my parachute too... Make sure you get video of that shit bro! (I beleive the birdmen will land someday too) Anyway, good input. Right on. blues. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #148 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteyeah, I will put money on someone getting killed trying to duplicate this at a later date unfortunately. People get killed doing ordinary skydives every month of the year. BAN SKYDIVING! lol... not exactly the point I was trying to make... if people want to do this... go ahead, as long as they don't kill anyone but themselves, that is fine with me... personally, I'll wait at least a few years before trying it, I like my femurs the way they are thanks. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #149 August 20, 2004 Quote ... is that someone with 50 jumps simply doesn't have the experience to fully understand the dangers of this stunt (or hell, for that matter, this sport). . . . I understand and agree with the generalization but disagree with this statement. Experience that teaches you caution comes from a lot of things. I'm 46 years old, < 50 jumps but understand that this is a dangerous sport. I do not know all the places danger can come from but I know they are their. Was this stunt cool, yeah, was it nuts, yeah, but I think the same thing about ski jumping and you would never get me to do that. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #150 August 20, 2004 Quotecrotchal region Does that have something to do with Croatia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
