Who did ya say first ??

[sky-pimp 0]

Emmm , exit order has been a topic of disscusion lately and i was wondering , am i right saying that in the USA RW go before FF, but in England FF go before RW ....... WHY ??

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John

[Travman 6]

Because it is at a higher latitude and the curvature of the earth affects the way the FF's fall

I'll be interested to hear what the real answer is. Is this at most DZ's in England?

[vt1977 0]

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but in England FF go before RW .......

That's not the case everywhere in England!!!

Different DZs have different rules on exit order.

Vicki

[Scoop 0]

FF go before RW at ours (UK)

[vt1977 0]

Nethers (also England) - FF go after FS.

Vicki

[rsibbald 0]

The majority of places in the UK are RW before FF. I don't jump at the places that do the opposite.

[Zoter 0]

Doesnt Langer Go FF before RW??

Most places I have been to have RW before FF
Kellands explanation is about the most understandable that I have seen/read.....

Now ....Tandems going first at Empuria.......hmmm there is a logical reason, but it still doesnt look right !!

[Adriandavies 0]

I've heard Milko (AFF instructor, TI, all round good guy at Langar) discussing the merits of both strategies. I'm sure he said that when FF first started they weren't sure what to do with exit order so they sent them out first which is an order which has kind of stuck. He can see the merits of both orders so maybe one day it will change at Langar.

[johnny1488 1]

When you say the merits of both orders, what is the merit of FF out first?

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[billvon 2,918]

>what is the merit of FF out first?

If the FFers all pull low, and the RWers all pull higher, and no one has a long snivel or cutaway, and no one loses track of altitude, then you get vertical separation. Since the above are often not true it is an unreliable means of ensuring separation.

[johnny1488 1]

hmmm, if this and this, and if that and that, then you might have the seperation you don't need.

How about horizontal seperation. It shouldnt be that hard to see that is what we want.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[billvon 2,918]

>How about horizontal seperation. It shouldnt be that hard to see that is what we want.

Exactly. Which is why RW gets out first in most places.

[CrazyL 0]

>If the FFers all pull low, and the RWers all pull higher,***

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But Bill in real life RW's break off lower and generally pull lower than FF. What separation? Oh ya I learned that the hard way long ago. I also learned that as long as a FF is open under 3,500 ft and is flying under canopy directly under the center of an 8 way RW in freefall. The 8way would miss the FF'rs open canopy, resulting in a spectacular show for the FF'er!

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[NelKel 0]

and the spectators

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Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

[CrazyL 0]

Ya them too. Some of them anyway. Rumor has it that some of the canopies had brown spots on them from all the shit in the air from a few that shit themselves. Freaky wicked incredible sound, better than Dolby Surround Sound.

[airtwardo 7]

Freaky wicked incredible sound, better than Dolby Surround Sound.

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SPLAT in Dolbey~

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[firstime 0]

lmao

[CrazyL 0]

luckily no SPLAT sound. Ever here the adage 'if you heard the gunshot, your not dead'. Similar to this occurance except bullets were flying bodies.

[Martini 0]

Funny, everyone thinks in terms of RW vs. FF which is naturally the big topic. Also students, high pulls, tandems, wingsuits etc. Just don't forget canopy size/loading.

Sometimes you eat the bear..............

[jurgencamps 0]

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Now ....Tandems going first at Empuria.......hmmm there is a logical reason, but it still doesnt look right !!

Jumprun against the wind (wind comes from the sea): tandems last, jumprun with the wind (wind towards the sea): tandems first. They follow kallends logic.

Jurgen