rushmc 23 #26 October 28 Just now, SkyDekker said: you should indeed stop supporting rapist felons who steal from children's charities. Now that is a true stretch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,409 #27 October 28 Just now, rushmc said: No, I talked about Roe v Wade. The court case yes the one that granted women the right to privacy related to their medical decisions and not have to answer for those. So they would be free to make decisions related to their healthcare with the support of their medical team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,409 #28 October 28 Just now, rushmc said: Now that is a true stretch I highly doubt that it is a stretch that you support Trump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 October 28 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: I highly doubt that it is a stretch that you support Trump. I proudly support Trump So it seems you are getting desperate now so you change the focus of the exchange? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,409 #30 October 28 1 minute ago, rushmc said: I proudly support Trump So it seems you are getting desperate now so you change the focus of the exchange? Then you proudly support a rapist felon who steals from children's charities. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 414 #31 October 28 1 minute ago, rushmc said: I proudly support Trump So it seems you are getting desperate now so you change the focus of the exchange? Why do you support Trump? I’m genuinely interested. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #32 October 28 30 minutes ago, rushmc said: This is not about abortion. Except it is, because we live in the real world where the decisions of 'very right' partisan assholes in black robes have real consequences for real women. People are dying and being maimed, because it is about abortion. 34 minutes ago, rushmc said: And, the justices have not removed a RIGHT that does not exist Yeah, they removed a right that does exist. Good to see you're realising your error. 35 minutes ago, rushmc said: My fear is they will remove rifgts that do exist! Well, they magicked up the right for a president to do whatever they want and be legally immune from the consequences. So they have already created the opportunity for the President to run roughshod over any of your rights, even if they tell him he can't, and there's nothing that anyone can do to hold him to account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #33 October 28 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nigel99 said: Why do you support Trump? I’m genuinely interested. His 4 year record 5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Then you proudly support a rapist felon who steals from children's charities. Nice to follow your queen princess and blame Trump so to redirect Edited October 28 by rushmc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 October 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jakee said: Except it is, because we live in the real world where the decisions of 'very right' partisan assholes in black robes have real consequences for real women. People are dying and being maimed, because it is about abortion. Yeah, they removed a right that does exist. Good to see you're realising your error. Well, they magicked up the right for a president to do whatever they want and be legally immune from the consequences. So they have already created the opportunity for the President to run roughshod over any of your rights, even if they tell him he can't, and there's nothing that anyone can do to hold him to account. You are witnessing the reason the founders included that in the constitution And in the end, ALL the legal bs against Trump will be thrown out Edited October 28 by rushmc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #35 October 28 6 minutes ago, rushmc said: I proudly support Trump Trump has explicitly stated on numerous occasions that he will ignore any protections the constitution gives to the people against government action. He says he will use the DOJ to harrass his political enemies. He says he will use the army against his political enemies. He says the police should beat up suspects. He says immigrants should be deported without due process. Why are proudly supporting the trampling of people's rights, while complaining about the granting of rights, when you claim that your point is that rights should be safeguarded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,409 #36 October 28 1 minute ago, rushmc said: His 4 year record The economy lost 2.7 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%. The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 36.3% from 2016. Illegal immigration increased. Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 25%. It's a hell of a record. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #37 October 28 3 minutes ago, rushmc said: You are witnessing the reason the founders included that in the constitution Included what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 414 #38 October 28 18 minutes ago, rushmc said: His 4 year record Can you expand on that? Any specific policies or achievements specifically? I may not agree with your views, but it’s nice not to live in an echo chamber or bubble. Unfortunately, so many right wing posters here just troll and you can’t get any perspective (I’m not accusing you of trolling). Does his moral character and personality influence your views one way or another? I don’t think you should be attacked for speaking up on your views. One aspect I liked about speakers corner was the diversity of opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,338 #39 October 29 13 minutes ago, nigel99 said: Can you expand on that? Any specific policies or achievements specifically? I may not agree with your views, but it’s nice not to live in an echo chamber or bubble. Unfortunately, so many right wing posters here just troll and you can’t get any perspective (I’m not accusing you of trolling). Does his moral character and personality influence your views one way or another? I don’t think you should be attacked for speaking up on your views. One aspect I liked about speakers corner was the diversity of opinion. Hi Nigel, I have reached the point where I feel the MAGA's simply do not care about Trump's poor record as President. They do not care if he is a rapist, etc. They only want him to win. Here is one example: Tariffs hurt his business. He's voting for Trump anyway IMO it is a waste of time to try to engage them in a rational discussion. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 899 #40 October 29 2 hours ago, ryoder said: But they will also settle for a motorhome! If only Thomas had taken John Oliver up on his offer 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,162 #41 October 29 1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Joe, Do not feed the trolls. Jerry Baumchen He is not really a troll. He is a believer, sadly. He has been in my kill file for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,338 #42 October 29 (edited) Hi folks, As most of you know, I am a very strong supporter of a woman's right to abortion. I also donate to NARAL every year. Since the Dobbs decision, slowly but surely, we are winning back the right to an abortion. Slowly, state by state. However, I do not think that is enough. IMO every free thinking woman in this country should get involved; here is one opportunity: Defend Democracy - Emerge Jerry Baumchen Edited October 29 by JerryBaumchen 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,338 #43 October 29 1 minute ago, gowlerk said: He is not really a troll. He is a believer, sadly. He has been in my kill file for years. Hi Ken, Mine, also. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 327 #44 October 29 2 hours ago, rushmc said: This is not about abortion. It is about judicial activation. Saying something is so called settled does not make it right or settled. Mistakes need to be corrected. That is what happened here. No that is NOT what happened here. There was no 'mistake' when women were granted the right to privacy over their own bodies. The mistake was reversing it, which was done by a judiciary hand selected for hat specific task, i.e a political movement and a political decision. If that is a 'mistake' then the government can come to get your fucking kidney. Any time they want. Either you believe in personal rights, bodily autonomy, whatever you want to call it, or you believe in government telling you what you can or cannot do with your body There was no mistake when women were given EXACTLY the same rights that you demand for yourself. So tell, me.... can the government pass a law to take your kidney for someone who needs it to live and would you support such a law? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,338 #45 October 29 4 minutes ago, tkhayes said: No that is NOT what happened here. There was no 'mistake' when women were granted the right to privacy over their own bodies. The mistake was reversing it, which was done by a judiciary hand selected for hat specific task, i.e a political movement and a political decision. If that is a 'mistake' then the government can come to get your fucking kidney. Any time they want. Either you believe in personal rights, bodily autonomy, whatever you want to call it, or you believe in government telling you what you can or cannot do with your body There was no mistake when women were given EXACTLY the same rights that you demand for yourself. So tell, me.... can the government pass a law to take your kidney for someone who needs it to live and would you support such a law? Hi tk, As I posted in Post #9: Just wait until rush & the rest of the MAGA crowd starts to lose those 'rights' that effect them. Jerry Baumchen 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 327 #46 October 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, rushmc said: His 4 year record Nice to follow your queen princess and blame Trump so to redirect Nothing about 'following your princess'. Trump stole millions of dollars from his charity, he got caught, he pled guilty to 19 separate counts of theft from the charity, he paid millions of dollars in fines and the Trump Foundation was permanently shut down This is actually a thing that actually happened in exactly the way I described it. Not an illusion. Nor an opinion, an actual case that was settled while he was in office in 2018 I am sure you think it was just an 'accounting error', so that would be you 'just following your fascist criminal overlord' You can actually look it up. It happened. Trump stood on a podium and promised the money to veterans and children and then he stole it. Justify your support for the guy that stole millions of dollars from his own charity. And try not to bring up the Clinton foundation or her emails or the Biden crime family. Justify your support for that guy now that you know for a fact this actually happened. I will even make it easy for you: DocumentDisplayServlet Edited October 29 by tkhayes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,689 #47 October 29 11 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi tk, As I posted in Post #9: Just wait until rush & the rest of the MAGA crowd starts to lose those 'rights' that effect them. Jerry Baumchen First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist................ A little bit of rushmc goes a very long way, for sure, and I'll killfile him again in short order, no doubt. But he is a different flavor of right winger than say Brent or BIGUN or BillE whom are smart and also different in ways, but they are not fully confined or informed by their religious beliefs like Ron. So there is information, and entertainment value, in the reminder that there are other subsets on the spectrum like rushmc. Not all bad for a brief respite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,162 #48 October 29 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: So there is information, and entertainment value, in the reminder that there are other subsets on the spectrum like rushmc He represents the angry resentful white man portion of the maga crowd. Trump's base is distressingly varied. Almost like a grab bag of deplorables. Edited October 29 by gowlerk 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,910 #49 October 29 5 hours ago, rushmc said: And in the end, ALL the legal bs against Trump will be thrown out Not unless he wins and can terminate the Constitution and the judicial system it calls for. To take just one example, two separate juries found that he was lying when he said he didn't rape E Jean Carroll. And in a civil trial the decision doesn't have to be unanimous - but both were. The only way you're going to overturn that is to appoint a captive judge, have them throw out the verdict, then pardon them when they are arrested themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 414 #50 October 29 4 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Nigel, I have reached the point where I feel the MAGA's simply do not care about Trump's poor record as President. They do not care if he is a rapist, etc. They only want him to win. Here is one example: Tariffs hurt his business. He's voting for Trump anyway IMO it is a waste of time to try to engage them in a rational discussion. Jerry Baumchen I’m always interested in hearing viewpoints though. I have one friend who is pro trump and some reasonably sane explanations for a few things. But so far he’s the only person who seems to have a semi coherent argument. There’s nothing we agree on though 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
