Progressivism equals Fascism

[winsor 235]

11 hours ago, tkhayes said:

I provided references and quotes to support my claims.  I provided MULTIPLE items, including dictionary definitions of the word Fascism as 'right wing'

You provided an opinion piece from a guy named 'Bill Anderson' who has no letters after his name, who can only be found on your 'medium' platform, who has no information about himself on his 'about' tab on Medium..... so he is just as full of shit as you are.

I provided dictionary definitions, and an article written by Juston Vassallo, who you can actually research and look up independently, who contradicts directly the claims that your 'no-name' guy made.  Justin Vassallo can be looked up, worked across several platforms, has several published items in his repertoire, and has a Masters Degree in political science.

You do realize that there are varying degrees of 'quality' when discussing evidence right?  

Well, of course you don't, because you have no idea what evidence is, 

And I never 'fell apart' I actually countered every single point you feebly tried to make.

I don't really give a flying fuck about a quote from FDR about Mussolini.... When was that quote made? (yes I want you to find the actual date that quote was made)

How mane conservatives said positive things about Hitler before he murdered 6 million jews?  Do you understand ANYTHING about the world, do you have a moral compass and a modicum of historical perspective?  Of course you do not.

You seem to forget that the same FDR also declared war on Mussolini and Italy, but of course you would ignore that because it does not fit your fixed concrete bias, nor your bullshit claims.

 

A veritable wellspring of vitriol devoid of content.  I have to admit, you're consistent.

[gowlerk 2,160]

51 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm to where I'm ready to believe if he started a thread: Dem's secretly communicate with armpit farts we'd engage seriously for a couple of pages and maybe get a warning, too.

Now you're getting to the point of understanding the game.

[billvon 2,898]

10 hours ago, jakee said:

Yeah, the Dems really fucked up by nominating FDR again this year. What's that you say? He's been dead for a generation and you're only talking about him because you have absolutely nothing to back up your insane accusation that Kamala Harris is more like Hitler than Trump is?

Keep in mind that he's from the party that thinks Frederick Douglas is still alive, and who think Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man.

[tkhayes 327]

5 hours ago, winsor said:

A veritable wellspring of vitriol devoid of content.  I have to admit, you're consistent.

Dictionary definitions of ‘fascist’ are devoid of content?

at least you’re consistent 

[kallend 1,935]

18 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Far from it. If anything this thread has shown a near perfection of his art. Most of us hope to catch one fish per lure but our correspondent has again shown his unique ability to play several at once. I'm to where I'm ready to believe if he started a thread: Dem's secretly communicate with armpit farts we'd engage seriously for a couple of pages and maybe get a warning, too.

The "Ignored Users" list is very handy to avoid becoming troll-fodder. 

Works for me.

[winsor 235]

49 minutes ago, kallend said:

The "Ignored Users" list is very handy to avoid becoming troll-fodder. 

Works for me.

I get a fair number of seemingly empty threads

[jakee 1,441]

3 hours ago, winsor said:

I get a fair number of seemingly empty threads

Yes, we all know how important it is for you to avoid seeing anything that might make you think.

[JoeWeber 2,688]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

The "Ignored Users" list is very handy to avoid becoming troll-fodder. 

Works for me.

Human interactions aren't math problems and a permanent ignored users list is a lot more MAGA than Woke, seems to me. 

[tkhayes 327]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

The "Ignored Users" list is very handy to avoid becoming troll-fodder. 

Works for me.

I was not aware of this feature.  My life just got a whole lot better

[kallend 1,935]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Human interactions aren't math problems and a permanent ignored users list is a lot more MAGA than Woke, seems to me. 

If you choose to feed obvious trolls, that's your prerogative.  

But when you feed them they keep coming back, like other vermin.

[JoeWeber 2,688]

1 minute ago, kallend said:

If you choose to feed obvious trolls, that's your prerogative.  

But when you feed them they keep coming back, like other vermin.

That's also MAGA, Professor. Looks like they're shutting down the game and taking the ball home anyway so why not set yourself free, and all the captures in your kill file, and live free and liberal while the party lasts?

[billvon 2,898]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Human interactions aren't math problems and a permanent ignored users list is a lot more MAGA than Woke, seems to me. 

It does lead to a media bubble, similar to the one Facebook creates for you.

I think ideally you don't use the ignore feature; you just don't respond to the trolls.  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.  I mean, there are people who really, honestly believe the Earth is flat; if I hadn't engaged some of them I would have thought that was a joke.

But some people find it very hard to ignore provocation, and for those people, ignoring users will generally be better than getting into angry arguments that lead to people getting upset and/or banned,

[JoeWeber 2,688]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

It does lead to a media bubble, similar to the one Facebook creates for you.

I think ideally you don't use the ignore feature; you just don't respond to the trolls.  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.  I mean, there are people who really, honestly believe the Earth is flat; if I hadn't engaged some of them I would have thought that was a joke.

But some people find it very hard to ignore provocation, and for those people, ignoring users will generally be better than getting into angry arguments that lead to people getting upset and/or banned,

Getting banned is soon to become universal so, meh. In fact, anyone here with space in their personal penalty box for another purple medal of honor ought to start raising a little hell just for shits and giggles. If you gotta go then go with a smile, I say.

[tkhayes 327]

17 minutes ago, billvon said:

It does lead to a media bubble, similar to the one Facebook creates for you.

I think ideally you don't use the ignore feature; you just don't respond to the trolls.  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.  I mean, there are people who really, honestly believe the Earth is flat; if I hadn't engaged some of them I would have thought that was a joke.

But some people find it very hard to ignore provocation, and for those people, ignoring users will generally be better than getting into angry arguments that lead to people getting upset and/or banned,

The ‘media bubble’ is human nature not the fault of the media

Majority of people think they are well informed, their opinion is the right one even if contrary evidence appears in front of them

basically people are stupid. I no longer believe that the USA put a man on the moon, there is no way that happened in this pool of ignorance 

[normiss 763]

4 hours ago, tkhayes said:

I was not aware of this feature.  My life just got a whole lot better

Plus you'll still get to see their nonsense when others start feeding them. Their post still shows when someone does a  quote reply.

 

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[JerryBaumchen 1,338]

51 minutes ago, billvon said:

It does lead to a media bubble, similar to the one Facebook creates for you.

I think ideally you don't use the ignore feature; you just don't respond to the trolls.  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.  I mean, there are people who really, honestly believe the Earth is flat; if I hadn't engaged some of them I would have thought that was a joke.

But some people find it very hard to ignore provocation, and for those people, ignoring users will generally be better than getting into angry arguments that lead to people getting upset and/or banned,

Hi Bill,

Re:  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.

At this point in life, the time I have left is a very important thing.

I will not waste it on idiots who cannot have a constructive discourse.

You might come around as you age.

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,495]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

Re:  Then you still see what ridiculous things they say and can therefore 1) laugh at them and 2) understand what some people believe.

At this point in life, the time I have left is a very important thing.

I will not waste it on idiots who cannot have a constructive discourse.

You might come around as you age.

Jerry Baumchen

To each their own. 

 

But I prefer to see the entire conversation. 

I skim the lengthy diatribes from the serious trolls. 

I don't need to have someone on an ignore list on order to ignore the..

 

I just don't need to respond to hatred and ignorance.

[winsor 235]

3 hours ago, normiss said:

Plus you'll still get to see their nonsense when others start feeding them. Their post still shows when someone does a  quote reply.

 

No problem, just skip past it.

[billvon 2,898]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

The ‘media bubble’ is human nature not the fault of the media

Majority of people think they are well informed, their opinion is the right one even if contrary evidence appears in front of them

basically people are stupid. I no longer believe that the USA put a man on the moon, there is no way that happened in this pool of ignorance 

Yes and no.  The media bubble amplifies one's own preferencs and presents them as fact.  So you're right that it starts from the person's own preferences.

But that's a new effect.  In the olden timey days, print media didn't change based on what you believed.  The New York Times didn't bend to your preferences; it was always the same.  Sure, you could go find the Journal of the Flat Earth or whatever, but its position in the back of the bookstore, the dust on the spine and the obvious unpopularity of the journal were very strong clues to how relevant it was.

But now Facebook bends to your preferences.  And that's a change from what people are used to.  It is noteworthy that older Americans - the people who grew up on the New York Times, Newsday and the Daily News - are most susceptible to this effect, because they are generally unaware of it.  They ask "but didn't you see that on Facebook?" as if all feeds were similar.

[nigel99 412]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

Yes and no.  The media bubble amplifies one's own preferencs and presents them as fact.  So you're right that it starts from the person's own preferences.

But that's a new effect.  In the olden timey days, print media didn't change based on what you believed.  The New York Times didn't bend to your preferences; it was always the same.  Sure, you could go find the Journal of the Flat Earth or whatever, but its position in the back of the bookstore, the dust on the spine and the obvious unpopularity of the journal were very strong clues to how relevant it was.

But now Facebook bends to your preferences.  And that's a change from what people are used to.  It is noteworthy that older Americans - the people who grew up on the New York Times, Newsday and the Daily News - are most susceptible to this effect, because they are generally unaware of it.  They ask "but didn't you see that on Facebook?" as if all feeds were similar.

Free social media and search engines are probably one of the biggest causes of the growth in distorted beliefs. 

The highly sophisticated ad and article targeting, is designed to tweak your interest and so you get sucked into a rabbit hole without even being a conscious participant.

Interestingly, even if you are searching for something google ‘knows best’ and tailors the results. The simplest example is searching for a shop or supplier in a different geographic region, despite stating the location the results are much smaller, lower quality than if you repeat the search using a vpn endpoint in that location and repeat the term. Or my biggest frustration working for a Finnish company and having a VPN that defaults there half the time, and websites preventing me from using Australian currency.

 

[jakee 1,441]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:59 PM, brenthutch said:

Fascism came to the United States in the 1920s,

Let's try something else from this election, not something that an indeterminate Roosevelt might have said 100 years ago.

Luke Meyer was Trump’s regional field director for western Pennsylvania. Online, he was the white nationalist Alberto Barbarossa and a co-host of Richard Spencer’s podcast.

A Trump campaign staffer was unmasked as a neo-Nazi, virulent white supremacist - and after being outed confirmed that all the things in Trump's speeches that sounded a bit Nazi were put there by other Nazis.

"“Like the hydra, you can cut off my head and hold it up for the world to see, but two more will quietly appear and be working in the shadows,” Meyer wrote. “Slating Trump to speak at [Madison Square Garden], putting ‘poisoning the blood’ in his speeches, setting up Odal runes at CPAC, etc. In a few years, one of those groypers [white supremacists] might even quietly bring me back in, with a stern warning for me to ‘be more careful next time.’”

And Brent is the only person in the room still struggling to figure out why he wasn't working for Harris.