Progressivism equals Fascism

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Fascism came to the United States in the 1920s, under the banner of Progressivism. Roosevelt and the other members of the Progressive Party openly advocated for implementing Mussolini’s Fascism in the United States, and attempted to do so. The press of the day was likewise lauding Mussolini and advocating for the U.S. to be more like Italy. Roosevelt and Mussolini openly admired each other, with Mussolini pointing out the Fascist aspects of FDR’s policies.

Indeed, shortly after the inauguration of FDR, the NY Times wrote of the DC area that it was “..strangely reminiscent of Rome in the first weeks after the march of the Blackshirts, of Moscow at the beginning of the Five-Year Plan.… America today literally asks for orders.” The author continued, stating the new administration “envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy”.

It is no surprise that the Progessives of the early twentieth century were Fascist-minded. Not only were they collectivists, as Fascism is, they studied under the German universities that were teaching collectivism and state power.

Of the New Deal, the press was openly talking of its Fascist nature, to include Shaw who wrote it was “Fascist means to gain liberal ends”. It may be hard today to think someone would “admit” that because of what transpired and the shifting of Fascism to be the same as Naziism that occurred, but at the time that was written in a favorable fashion. It wasn’t limited to the Press, either. One of FDR’s chief advisors on the New Deal openly praised Mussolini and his policies. Some lamented that FDR wasn’t a dictator, and even his wife, Eelanor said that if she were younger she’d like to lead a Fascist Movement here.

[jakee 1,441]

That's a very roundabout way to admit that your earlier slur against Harris was utterly false and that you know the fascist sympathisers are entirely on the modern right, but I suppose it'll have to do.

[jakee 1,441]

16 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

The press of the day was likewise lauding Mussolini and advocating for the U.S. to be more like Italy. Roosevelt and Mussolini openly admired each other, with Mussolini pointing out the Fascist aspects of FDR’s policies.

How much does that sound like Fox, Trump and Putin?

17 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

.… America today literally asks for orders.

How much does that sound like the right's fetishisation of strongman leaders today?

18 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Some lamented that FDR wasn’t a dictator, and even his wife, Eelanor said that if she were younger she’d like to lead a Fascist Movement here.

How much does that sound like the Maga movement begging Trump to be a dictator on day one?

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41 minutes ago, jakee said:

That's a very roundabout way to admit that your earlier slur against Harris was utterly false and that you know the fascist sympathisers are entirely on the modern right, but I suppose it'll have to do.

https://therealbill.medium.com/fascism-came-to-the-united-states-in-the-1920s-under-the-banner-of-progressivism-68bd19aec5eb

If you’re interested here is the full article 

[wmw999 2,382]

Just now, nigel99 said:

https://therealbill.medium.com/fascism-came-to-the-united-states-in-the-1920s-under-the-banner-of-progressivism-68bd19aec5eb

If you’re interested here is the full article 

And for extra credit, you credited the authors by linking to the website!

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,441]

9 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

https://therealbill.medium.com/fascism-came-to-the-united-states-in-the-1920s-under-the-banner-of-progressivism-68bd19aec5eb

If you’re interested here is the full article 

It's not really clever enough to be interesting ; )

 

In the meantime, here is modern American fascism at work.

Ballot drop boxes set on fire and hundreds of votes burned in Washington state

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36 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

https://therealbill.medium.com/fascism-came-to-the-united-states-in-the-1920s-under-the-banner-of-progressivism-68bd19aec5eb

If you’re interested here is the full article 

That article makes no sense at all to me. The "Progressive Party" AKA "Bull Moose Party" was the vehicle for Teddy Roosevelt to challenge Taft in the 1912 election. FDR, who gets talked about in the article as somehow favouring fascism was a member of the Democratic Party. The whole article just makes weak sauce arguments that some of FDRs policy posistions reminded some of the many more right wing press and of course it's owners of some of Mussolini's policies. It is nothing but speculative drivel driven by the still outraged Republican anger over the very successful New Deal.

Edited October 29 by gowlerk

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7 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

That article makes no sense at all to me. 

Don’t feel bad, most folks on this forum are equally flummoxed. The party of eugenics and state control is still alive and well in today’s Democrat party. And the whole time you thought they were the good guys. I understand your confusion.

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24 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Don’t feel bad, most folks on this forum are equally flummoxed. The party of eugenics and state control is still alive and well in today’s Democrat party. And the whole time you thought they were the good guys. I understand your confusion.

I love it when people post articles like that..... It is so easy to find some claim that they make and shoot it to fucking pieces.

For example, the article says "When the SCOTUS ruled parts of the New Deal unconstitutional he tried to enlarge the court to put enough of his choices on it to get his way. He tried to pack the court, and used the threat of it against the court. "

Roosevelt simply proposed a law to expand the supreme court, which never passed.  Hardly a 'threat' to the court or to anyone actually, but a biased writer with some twisted intention could use the tidbit as a satisfying point to back up their bias.

EVERY president has discussed expanding the Supreme Court if it suited their agenda or had unfavorable rulings from the court.  

I stopped reading your garbage about that time..... If it takes me less than 45 seconds to dispute claims in the article, then I already know the article is rubbish

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36 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Don’t feel bad, most folks on this forum are equally flummoxed. The party of eugenics and state control is still alive and well in today’s Democrat party. And the whole time you thought they were the good guys. I understand your confusion.

"Roosevelt and the other members of the Progressive Party openly advocated for implementing Mussolini’s Fascism in the United States,"

But provides nothing to back up the claim, like say.... a reference.  Like this: The Americans Who Embraced Mussolini - Boston Review

which specifically states that Fascism targeting liberals and progressives and was a right wing movement and funny, the title of the article is about Americans that supported Fascism and yet, no mention of Roosevelt

So that took me 4 more minutes to find something to call out your bullshit for the bullshit that it is.

Edited October 30 by tkhayes

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7 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

I love it when people post articles like that..... It is so easy to find some claim that they make and shoot it to fucking pieces.

For example, the article says "When the SCOTUS ruled parts of the New Deal unconstitutional he tried to enlarge the court to put enough of his choices on it to get his way. He tried to pack the court, and used the threat of it against the court. "

Roosevelt simply proposed a law to expand the supreme court, which never passed.  Hardly a 'threat' to the court or to anyone actually, but a biased writer with some twisted intention could use the tidbit as a satisfying point to back up their bias.

EVERY president has discussed expanding the Supreme Court if it suited their agenda or had unfavorable rulings from the court.  

I stopped reading your garbage about that time..... If it takes me less than 45 seconds to dispute claims in the article, then I already know the article is rubbish

First you say:

Bullshit. There is nothing you can find anywhere, any educational, scholarly, or other reference to say that fascism is a left-wing movement.
When I prove otherwise you fall apart 

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

39 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Don’t feel bad, most folks on this forum are equally flummoxed. The party of eugenics and state control is still alive and well in today’s Democrat party. And the whole time you thought they were the good guys. I understand your confusion.

 

I thought you supported state control? Now it is a bad thing?

 

Do you actually stand for anything?

[SkyDekker 1,402]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

First you say:

Bullshit. There is nothing you can find anywhere, any educational, scholarly, or other reference to say that fascism is a left-wing movement.
When I prove otherwise you fall apart 

I mean I can find a reference that you rape women on the internet. Does that mean it is true you are a rapist?

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3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

He has pretty much succeeded in dragging them down into the dirt with though, hasn't he?

That's what he does.

That's ALL he ever does.

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There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.”

― Franklin D. Roosevelt

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59 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I mean I can find a reference that you rape women on the internet. Does that mean it is true you are a rapist?

No more

Wendy P. 

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

I mean I can find a reference that you rape women on the internet. Does that mean it is true you are a rapist?

It’s more likely than if you could not find such a reference.

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

First you say:

Bullshit. There is nothing you can find anywhere, any educational, scholarly, or other reference to say that fascism is a left-wing movement.
When I prove otherwise you fall apart 

I provided references and quotes to support my claims.  I provided MULTIPLE items, including dictionary definitions of the word Fascism as 'right wing'

You provided an opinion piece from a guy named 'Bill Anderson' who has no letters after his name, who can only be found on your 'medium' platform, who has no information about himself on his 'about' tab on Medium..... so he is just as full of shit as you are.

I provided dictionary definitions, and an article written by Juston Vassallo, who you can actually research and look up independently, who contradicts directly the claims that your 'no-name' guy made.  Justin Vassallo can be looked up, worked across several platforms, has several published items in his repertoire, and has a Masters Degree in political science.

You do realize that there are varying degrees of 'quality' when discussing evidence right?  

Well, of course you don't, because you have no idea what evidence is, 

And I never 'fell apart' I actually countered every single point you feebly tried to make.

I don't really give a flying fuck about a quote from FDR about Mussolini.... When was that quote made? (yes I want you to find the actual date that quote was made)

How mane conservatives said positive things about Hitler before he murdered 6 million jews?  Do you understand ANYTHING about the world, do you have a moral compass and a modicum of historical perspective?  Of course you do not.

You seem to forget that the same FDR also declared war on Mussolini and Italy, but of course you would ignore that because it does not fit your fixed concrete bias, nor your bullshit claims.

 

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

 

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.”

― Franklin D. Roosevelt

Trump praises Putin, Kim Jong Un, bashes Obama - trump praises our enemies.  I guess that means (using your logic) that Trump is aligned with North Korea and its ideals.

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

 

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.”

― Franklin D. Roosevelt

The Nazis were also interested in what the USA was doing, especially when it came to handling people of color, Jim Crow, segregation and the like.  In fact, it was the playbook for their genocide against the Jews.  I guess that means that Germany under the Nazis was a democratic republic just like the USA... right?  That is your logic here.

Oh look, an actual SCHOLARLY article to back up my claims, published by a leading educational institute by a guy with a PhD Nazi Germany's Race Laws, the United States, and American Indians

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3 hours ago, tkhayes said:

I provided references and quotes to support my claims.  I provided MULTIPLE items, including dictionary definitions of the word Fascism as 'right wing'

You provided an opinion piece from a guy named 'Bill Anderson' who has no letters after his name, who can only be found on your 'medium' platform, who has no information about himself on his 'about' tab on Medium..... so he is just as full of shit as you are.

I provided dictionary definitions, and an article written by Juston Vassallo, who you can actually research and look up independently, who contradicts directly the claims that your 'no-name' guy made.  Justin Vassallo can be looked up, worked across several platforms, has several published items in his repertoire, and has a Masters Degree in political science.

You do realize that there are varying degrees of 'quality' when discussing evidence right?  

Well, of course you don't, because you have no idea what evidence is, 

And I never 'fell apart' I actually countered every single point you feebly tried to make.

I don't really give a flying fuck about a quote from FDR about Mussolini.... When was that quote made? (yes I want you to find the actual date that quote was made)

How mane conservatives said positive things about Hitler before he murdered 6 million jews?  Do you understand ANYTHING about the world, do you have a moral compass and a modicum of historical perspective?  Of course you do not.

You seem to forget that the same FDR also declared war on Mussolini and Italy, but of course you would ignore that because it does not fit your fixed concrete bias, nor your bullshit claims.

 

One of the downsides of the 24 hour news cycle, internet and social media is that the quality of information is generally poor.

 

[jakee 1,441]

7 hours ago, brenthutch said:

The party of eugenics and state control is still alive and well in today’s Democrat party. 

The fact that all of your references are from 100 years ago proves that you know it isn't.

You know that modern day neo-nazis will vote republican if they vote. You know that Trump is the candidate who embodies fascist rhetoric and policy. You just invent this wonderland nonsense soyou can justify supporting him anyway.

[jakee 1,441]

7 hours ago, brenthutch said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.”

― Franklin D. Roosevelt

Yeah, the Dems really fucked up by nominating FDR again this year. What's that you say? He's been dead for a generation and you're only talking about him because you have absolutely nothing to back up your insane accusation that Kamala Harris is more like Hitler than Trump is? Yeah dude, it's really obvious.

BTW, FDR wanted to join the fight against Hitler long before Pearl Harbour but damn near every Republican in the House and Senate refused to support any military intervention. So there you go - proof by your standards that the modern Republican party supports Hitler.

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3 hours ago, jakee said:

So there you go - proof by your standards that the modern Republican party supports Hitler.

Well, I guess that just means he'll have to change his standards again...

[JoeWeber 2,688]

2 hours ago, lippy said:

Well, I guess that just means he'll have to change his standards again...

Far from it. If anything this thread has shown a near perfection of his art. Most of us hope to catch one fish per lure but our correspondent has again shown his unique ability to play several at once. I'm to where I'm ready to believe if he started a thread: Dem's secretly communicate with armpit farts we'd engage seriously for a couple of pages and maybe get a warning, too.