Praise for Kamala Harris ( On topic )

[kallend 1,822]

36 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Go to a Maga rally and see people falling asleep!

Herman Cain died after attending one.

[JerryBaumchen 1,261]

8 hours ago, tkhayes said:

 

Kamala demonstrated that she can do this job, easily and far better than the orange convict.  Trump is/was deranged and unhinged. 

I think the debate should be scored on the number of complete sentences....  But hey, at least she had plans and trump admitted that he has NOTHING to offer on healthcare.... just 'concepts'...... like, y'know, 'more healthcare and everything and they are destroying the country.....'

But immigrants eating your pets?   I am already watching the MAGA types defending these statements as not only accurate, but a 'policy' that THEY will be voting on re: Trump.

It is truly a cult.

Hi tk,

Re:  Trump is/was deranged and unhinged. 

IMO it is only going to get worse.  We all saw how he cannot stand to be corrected. 

Re:  trump admitted that he has NOTHING to offer on healthcare.... just 'concepts'...... like, y'know, 'more healthcare and everything and they are destroying the country.....'

What I found interesting is that he can say a 300 word sentence, covering 45 different items, and not a bit of coherence throughout.

While I am not medical person, it seems like the rantings of a dyslexic to me.

If she continues to hold the lead as we go forward, it is going to be really interesting to see how he holds up.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I do have to say, watching him last nite was truly entertaining.

 

 

[jakee 1,340]

31 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

What I found interesting is that he can say a 300 word sentence, covering 45 different items, and not a bit of coherence throughout.

While I am not medical person, it seems like the rantings of a dyslexic to me.

Funny how when Biden stumbled his way through a debate the Dems all said 'shit, our very old candidate doesn't sound good, people shouldn't vote for someone who doesn't sound like he knows what's going on'. Then Trump says one of the biggest problems facing the USA is immigrants stealing and eating all the pets in an entire state and Republicans don't say 'shit, our very old candidate sounds senile and demented as a Proud Boy with Alzheimers' but instead just moan about how unfair it is that someone fact checked it.

[SkyDekker 1,288]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

He certainly had the line of the night with "I have been a leader on fertilisation!"

I'd say 'you know your wife is listening, right?' except the truth is I'd be amazed if she bothered.

Pretty sure he thinks the IV and IVF stand for involuntary.

[JerryBaumchen 1,261]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi tk,

Re:  Trump is/was deranged and unhinged. 

IMO it is only going to get worse.  We all saw how he cannot stand to be corrected. 

Re:  trump admitted that he has NOTHING to offer on healthcare.... just 'concepts'...... like, y'know, 'more healthcare and everything and they are destroying the country.....'

What I found interesting is that he can say a 300 word sentence, covering 45 different items, and not a bit of coherence throughout.

While I am not medical person, it seems like the rantings of a dyslexic to me.

If she continues to hold the lead as we go forward, it is going to be really interesting to see how he holds up.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I do have to say, watching him last nite was truly entertaining.

 

 

Hi Folks,

Re:   not a bit of coherence throughout.

And, this to continue with it:  Trump called it “our best debate ever,” but the former president and others quickly searched for others to blame for his struggles to remain on message.

Trump, Republicans play blame game after debate (thehill.com)

How is it possible to say “our best debate ever,” then say to blame for his struggles to remain on message.

One thing about Trump:  He is consistently inconsistent.

If this idiot does not give you a laugh daily, I doubt that you're paying attention.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Phil1111 1,077]

14 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Folks,

Re:   not a bit of coherence throughout.

And, this to continue with it:  Trump called it “our best debate ever,” but the former president and others quickly searched for others to blame for his struggles to remain on message.

Trump, Republicans play blame game after debate (thehill.com)

How is it possible to say “our best debate ever,” then say to blame for his struggles to remain on message.

One thing about Trump:  He is consistently inconsistent.

If this idiot does not give you a laugh daily, I doubt that you're paying attention.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Trump can't resist an attractive mark, or bait. If it looks easy he grabs it and Kamala had the whole bait shop.

[ryoder 1,547]

Another GOP endorsement for Harris:

Republican AG Alberto Gonzales backs Harris, warns against Trump

[TriGirl 298]

19 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

If this idiot does not give you a laugh daily, I doubt that you're paying attention.

Hi, Jerry,

If he weren't a strong contender for the office of POTUS, I would be laughing.  Unfortunately, the situation doesn't make it funny right now.   Maybe when he loses the election and continues to "lose it," we can laugh at him.

[ryoder 1,547]

I guess you could call it an endorsement:

Ben & Jerry's co-founders unveil Kamala Harris 'Coconut Jubilee' ice cream flavor

[ryoder 1,547]

Scientific American magazine endorses Harris. I'm guessing they won't be losing many (if any) subscribers over this:

Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the Environment

[gowlerk 2,096]

AI has come out for Harris.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/21/us-news/meta-ai-chatbot-gives-glowing-reasons-to-vote-harris-tepid-for-trump/

[nigel99 288]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

AI has come out for Harris.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/21/us-news/meta-ai-chatbot-gives-glowing-reasons-to-vote-harris-tepid-for-trump/

It’s an interesting question. I saw something (might have been satire/spoof) that Alexa did something similar. 

In principle AI should be fact based and objective meaning that it should be a reliable indicator.

I just asked chatgbt for the pros and cons of each:

When considering the pros and cons of voting for either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, the analysis often revolves around their policy positions, leadership style, and political experience. Here’s a general outline based on their political profiles as of 2024:

### **Kamala Harris: Pros and Cons**

#### **Pros:**
1. **Experienced in Government**: Harris has served as Vice President under Joe Biden and has experience as a U.S. Senator and Attorney General of California. This gives her a strong background in legislative and executive roles.
2. **Focus on Social Justice**: She has advocated for criminal justice reform, racial equality, women’s rights, and LGBTQ+ rights. Her platform appeals to voters who prioritize progressive social policies.
3. **Advocate for Climate Action**: Harris has been a proponent of addressing climate change, supporting initiatives like the Green New Deal. Voters who see climate change as an urgent issue may favor her policies.
4. **Diverse Representation**: As the first woman of African-American and South Asian descent to serve as Vice President, her candidacy is seen as symbolically important for diversity and representation in leadership.
5. **International Relations**: Harris has been involved in various diplomatic efforts during her vice presidency, which may appeal to those who value a multilateral approach to global issues.

#### **Cons:**
1. **Mixed Record on Criminal Justice**: While Harris promotes herself as a reformer, critics argue her tenure as California’s Attorney General was marked by tough-on-crime policies, including prosecutorial decisions that some say disproportionately affected minority communities.
2. **Perceived Lack of Strong Leadership**: Some critics argue that Harris has not demonstrated strong leadership or distinct achievements during her vice presidency, which may raise concerns about her ability to be an effective president.
3. **Polarizing Figure**: Harris’s progressive stance on issues like immigration, abortion rights, and healthcare may alienate moderate or conservative voters, leading to greater polarization.
4. **Economic Policy Criticisms**: Some conservatives argue that her support for higher taxes on the wealthy and increased government spending could harm economic growth and lead to greater national debt.
5. **Public Communication Style**: Harris has been critiqued for being less effective in public communication, with some voters perceiving her speeches as lacking depth or clarity on policy details.

---

### **Donald Trump: Pros and Cons**

#### **Pros:**
1. **Economic Policies**: Trump is credited by his supporters with overseeing a period of strong economic growth, lower unemployment rates, and corporate tax cuts during his presidency. Voters who prioritize business-friendly policies and deregulation may favor his platform.
2. **America First Approach**: His emphasis on nationalism, trade deals favoring the U.S., and reduced foreign intervention appeals to voters who want a focus on domestic issues over global commitments.
3. **Strong Leadership Style**: Trump is seen as a decisive leader by his supporters, someone who isn’t afraid to challenge political norms or international institutions like NATO or the UN when he feels they do not serve U.S. interests.
4. **Appeals to Conservative Base**: Trump’s positions on issues such as immigration, gun rights, and judicial appointments align with conservative values, making him a popular choice for those who favor traditional, right-wing policies.
5. **Tax Cuts and Deregulation**: His tax reforms and deregulation efforts during his administration are seen by supporters as helping businesses and promoting economic growth.

#### **Cons:**
1. **Legal and Ethical Controversies**: Trump’s presidency and post-presidential years have been marked by numerous legal challenges, including multiple indictments and investigations. Some voters may view his actions as undermining the rule of law and democratic norms.
2. **Polarizing and Divisive Rhetoric**: Trump’s often combative and inflammatory rhetoric on social media and in speeches has been accused of deepening political divisions in the U.S., particularly concerning race, immigration, and political violence.
3. **Handling of COVID-19**: His administration’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic has been widely criticized for downplaying the virus, contributing to a delayed response and high death toll. This could be a key issue for voters concerned about public health preparedness.
4. **Foreign Relations Strain**: Trump’s approach to international relations, particularly with traditional U.S. allies, has been described as transactional and has at times strained relationships with NATO, the European Union, and other international institutions.
5. **Impeachments and January 6th**: Trump was impeached twice during his presidency, once over the Ukraine scandal and again in connection with the January 6th Capitol riots. These events raise concerns for voters about his adherence to democratic principles.

---

### **Conclusion:**
Voting for Kamala Harris or Donald Trump involves considering starkly different visions for the future of the U.S. Harris emphasizes social justice, climate action, and progressive policies, while Trump champions nationalism, economic deregulation, and conservative values. The choice will largely depend on individual priorities regarding governance style, domestic policies, and international relations, as well as the candidates' ability to address current challenges facing the U.S.

Edited September 26 by nigel99

[jakee 1,340]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

In principle AI should be fact based and objective meaning that it should be a reliable indicator.

Noooooo, I really don't think that's how AI works. AI doesn't understand policy, it can't evaluate anything on the merits in a fresh and original way. All it can do is collate and rehash what it sees real people saying.

[nigel99 288]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Noooooo, I really don't think that's how AI works. AI doesn't understand policy, it can't evaluate anything on the merits in a fresh and original way. All it can do is collate and rehash what it sees real people saying.

You don’t think the models draw information in a weighted manner from mostly reliable sources and then aggregate it? I hope and doubt that sources like reddit, truth social and dz.com carry much weight.

Whereas we might look for news articles, papers or results that confirm our biases, I would expect AI to not have an inherent bias. It’s not going to be perfect but it should be able to assimilate a lot more information than we can. 

[jakee 1,340]

9 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Whereas we might look for news articles, papers or results that confirm our biases, I would expect AI to not have an inherent bias. It’s not going to be perfect but it should be able to assimilate a lot more information than we can. 

What about Fox? Does it treat the biggest news network in the USA as a reliable source? If it does, it's regurgitating whatever it 'learns' there. If it's been told not to, isn't that an inherent bias?

Ultimately, all the AI has done has given you a list of Trump supporter talking points for the Pro-Donald, anti-Kamala columns and a list of normal people talking points for the reverse. It's literally telling you that's what it's doing - 'appeals to those who...' 'is seen as ... by his supporters' 'popular choice for those who favour...'

The only fact it is considering are the facts that someone said the stuff it is now repeating... though with AI even that isn't a guarantee.

[nigel99 288]

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

What about Fox? Does it treat the biggest news network in the USA as a reliable source? If it does, it's regurgitating whatever it 'learns' there. If it's been told not to, isn't that an inherent bias?

Ultimately, all the AI has done has given you a list of Trump supporter talking points for the Pro-Donald, anti-Kamala columns and a list of normal people talking points for the reverse. It's literally telling you that's what it's doing - 'appeals to those who...' 'is seen as ... by his supporters' 'popular choice for those who favour...'

The only fact it is considering are the facts that someone said the stuff it is now repeating... though with AI even that isn't a guarantee.

Absolutely, and that was a 30 second prompt (one of the dangers of AI), however if you asked for a detailed analysis of say economic policy risks and benefits you’d get more focused information. It makes mistakes, but much like the old AAD discussions I suspect it’s a bit more reliable than us. 

On the bright side, it seems most AI is biased towards the Praise for Harris than critics corner threads :)

 

[jakee 1,340]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

It makes mistakes, but much like the old AAD discussions I suspect it’s a bit more reliable than us. 

When the first board of directors of a Fortune 500 company decides that one of the jobs AI can take over is that of CEO, then I might believe it ; )

[nigel99 288]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

When the first board of directors of a Fortune 500 company decides that one of the jobs AI can take over is that of CEO, then I might believe it ; )

Well I’d take Harris over AI, but would take AI over Trump!

[jakee 1,340]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Well I’d take Harris over AI, but would take AI over Trump!

Hah, sounds right!
 

OT but it’s funny how AI has given the right ammunition in both attack and defence. Robinson blamed his prolific racist, anti-Semitic, pro Nazi porn site postings on an unnamed ‘billionaire’s son who has spent millions on AI to take me down’… on the same day that actual billionaire Elon Musk actually posted an AI image of Harris in a Soviet style blazer with hammer and sickle cap with the comment ‘can you believe she really wears this’.

[ryoder 1,547]

6 hours ago, nigel99 said:

You don’t think the models draw information in a weighted manner from mostly reliable sources and then aggregate it? I hope and doubt that sources like reddit, truth social and dz.com carry much weight.

Uh, no. I have never seen any info anywhere that indicates they do anything but just crawl the web, hoovering up everything they find. Same method Google uses to feed its search engine.

[jakee 1,340]

I think what people don’t get about AI is that it isn’t a thinking engine, it’s a word cloud engine. It can’t evaluate complex concepts because it has no idea what it’s talking about. It’s just relating sentences to sentences.

[ryoder 1,547]

4 minutes ago, jakee said:

I think what people don’t get about AI is that it isn’t a thinking engine, it’s a word cloud engine. It can’t evaluate complex concepts because it has no idea what it’s talking about. It’s just relating sentences to sentences.

Grant Sanderson (Youtube channel "3Blue1Brown") has done some excellent videos on the methods behind AI. I find it a nice refresh of my college calculus courses.

[SkyDekker 1,288]

9 hours ago, jakee said:

When the first board of directors of a Fortune 500 company decides that one of the jobs AI can take over is that of CEO, then I might believe it ; )

It will be helping CEOs by using AI to eliminate many other jobs.