Praise for Kamala Harris ( On topic )

[JoeWeber 2,567]

4 minutes ago, winsor said:

I agree that gridlock is the ideal outcome.  As I said before, having Harris allow the Republicans to detox from Trump is a good thing, but from a management standpoint she is sure to fuck up everything she touches.

I doubt any Harris supporters here will argue that we lucked out and got the best possible choice; it was simply Biden or Harris. I fear her less than I fear our system of choosing leaders which is clearly hopeless and becoming more so. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,271]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

I agree that gridlock is the ideal outcome.  As I said before, having Harris allow the Republicans to detox from Trump is a good thing, but from a management standpoint she is sure to fuck up everything she touches.

Hi winsor,

Re:  she is sure to fuck up everything she touches.

Ronald Reagan was an incompetent who became POTUS.  One thing I do give him credit for is picking the people who he felt could do the job.  I am of the opinion that she will do the same thing.

IMO that is how all good managers work.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Here you go, winsor; right up your alley:  Harris struggles to win over male voters in key states (thehill.com)

 

Edited September 8 by JerryBaumchen

[tkhayes 261]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

If the political and economic damage inflicted by either was identical, Harris would be greatly preferable.  Unfortunately, the Gov't debt/GDP ratio is beyond the tipping point and all Harris has to offer is feasting on the seed corn.

More baseless assertions, the sky is falling, the sky is falling..... yet I will bet that your days today are much like your days were 3, 5, 8, 15 years ago.....

 

[billvon 2,734]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

If the political and economic damage inflicted by either was identical, Harris would be greatly preferable.  Unfortunately, the Gov't debt/GDP ratio is beyond the tipping point and all Harris has to offer is feasting on the seed corn.

I assure you that I despise Trump.  There is, however, the he remote possibility that his self serving nature will help to mitigate the inevitable disaster that is unfolding.

We're screwed either way, but with Harris it's 100%.

Facts:
Trump/Pence increased debt by $7.8 trillion
Biden/Harris increased debt by $6.2 trillion (so far) - extrapolating that through the final four months of his presidency gets us to $6.8 trillion

Trump would be a disaster for the debt; Harris would be a bit better.

As always, sorry about the facts.

[Phil1111 1,078]

51 minutes ago, billvon said:

Facts:
Trump/Pence increased debt by $7.8 trillion
Biden/Harris increased debt by $6.2 trillion (so far) - extrapolating that through the final four months of his presidency gets us to $6.8 trillion

Trump would be a disaster for the debt; Harris would be a bit better.

As always, sorry about the facts.

Trump is eliminating the department of education so there will be $224 billion in savings there. Elon and RFK jr. will come up with other savings programs.

[JoeWeber 2,567]

29 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Trump is eliminating the department of education

Makes sense, I suppose, if your goal is more Trump voters.

[ryoder 1,553]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Trump is eliminating the department of education so there will be $224 billion in savings there. Elon and RFK jr. will come up with other savings programs.

Pssst! We need to call him Leon now, (so as not to embarass Trump).

[Phil1111 1,078]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Makes sense, I suppose, if your goal is more Trump voters.

Trump loves the poorly educated and they love him. W/O a dept of education evangelicals can teach everyone Jebus and the American Taliban will rise bible in hand.

[wolfriverjoe 1,462]

6 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Trump loves the poorly educated and they love him. W/O a dept of education evangelicals can teach everyone Jebus and the American Taliban will rise bible in hand.

Well, they won't actually be able to read the Bible, but then again, they don't now either.

[nigel99 293]

6 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Trump loves the poorly educated and they love him. W/O a dept of education evangelicals can teach everyone Jebus and the American Taliban will rise bible in hand.

Bringing it back to Harris. One of the things her campaign has got right is to diminish Trump and label him as weak and pathetic rather than some powerful boogeyman. Secondly they have separated Trump from Republicans and stopped attacking them as a group opening the door for a return to bipartisan grown up politics.

They have also stopped trying to reach the cult members and are ignoring them. Arguing with cult members just reinforces their beliefs - trying to get cult members to admit that Harris is competent is a total waste of time and just makes them angry and gives you a headache.

[Erroll 75]

12 hours ago, winsor said:

We're screwed either way, but with Harris it's 100%.

Out of curiosity, what do you expect to happen should Harris win? Please give some specifics - I'd like to come back in 4 years and see how accurate you were.

[olofscience 460]

7 hours ago, Erroll said:

Please give some specifics

Lol, no chance of that happening. They rely on vagueness because they've got nothing really*.

Like here I was trying to get Brent to make a specific prediction, just one number, and he tried very, very hard for 3+ pages to actually avoid making one, and ran away in the end.

 

*edit to add: Also, remember Feynman's lecture that Brent posted - a vague theory cannot be disproven, which is the main benefit to Winsor and Brent.

Edited September 9 by olofscience

[winsor 222]

7 hours ago, Erroll said:

Out of curiosity, what do you expect to happen should Harris win? Please give some specifics - I'd like to come back in 4 years and see how accurate you were.

Her non-existent of economics, free market or otherwise, makes her ill suited to handle the overleveraged finances of state she will inherit. 

The best case is a Japan style implosion, the worst is either Zimbabwe or Venezuela, all economies that were steered from abundance to something else for various reasons.

Often one administration will sow the seeds of disaster and the next is left holding the bag, which is simply the nature of things.

Thus, the question comes down to when and how bad.  If we decouple the dollar from oil, the tendency will be for the currency to gravitate to its fundamental inherent value, which is zero.  This scenario is the Weimar Republic on steroids, whereby major corporations survived but people died of starvation.

When she relies on Marxist commentary, it does not bode well.  Her opponent is a stable idiot, but at least he has experience with overleveraged organizations and navigating bankruptcy (he stiffs people right and left at the best of times).

I can give examples of economies where people were voted in promising "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs!," but would have to extrapolate greatly to account for scale and position.  I'm also sure the odd Black Swan will be a factor.

 

[gowlerk 2,099]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Her non-existent of economics, free market or otherwise, makes her ill suited to handle the overleveraged finances of state she will inherit. 

The best case is a Japan style implosion, the worst is either Zimbabwe or Venezuela, all economies that were steered from abundance to something else for various reasons.

Often one administration will sow the seeds of disaster and the next is left holding the bag, which is simply the nature of things.

Thus, the question comes down to when and how bad.  If we decouple the dollar from oil, the tendency will be for the currency to gravitate to its fundamental inherent value, which is zero.  This scenario is the Weimar Republic on steroids, whereby major corporations survived but people died of starvation.

When she relies on Marxist commentary, it does not bode well.  Her opponent is a stable idiot, but at least he has experience with overleveraged organizations and navigating bankruptcy (he stiffs people right and left at the best of times).

I can give examples of economies where people were voted in promising "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs!," but would have to extrapolate greatly to account for scale and position.  I'm also sure the odd Black Swan will be a factor.

 

Well then, that's fairly off topic right there. In praise of Kamala I would like to state that she has never advocated for Marxism. And in no way did you answer the question posed and quoted which is what do you predict will happen during her term as POTUS that frightens you so?

[tkhayes 261]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

Her non-existent of economics, free market or otherwise, makes her ill suited to handle the overleveraged finances of state she will inherit. 

The best case is a Japan style implosion, the worst is either Zimbabwe or Venezuela, all economies that were steered from abundance to something else for various reasons.

Often one administration will sow the seeds of disaster and the next is left holding the bag, which is simply the nature of things.

Thus, the question comes down to when and how bad.  If we decouple the dollar from oil, the tendency will be for the currency to gravitate to its fundamental inherent value, which is zero.  This scenario is the Weimar Republic on steroids, whereby major corporations survived but people died of starvation.

When she relies on Marxist commentary, it does not bode well.  Her opponent is a stable idiot, but at least he has experience with overleveraged organizations and navigating bankruptcy (he stiffs people right and left at the best of times).

I can give examples of economies where people were voted in promising "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs!," but would have to extrapolate greatly to account for scale and position.  I'm also sure the odd Black Swan will be a factor.

 

not actually remotely close to being specific about anything.... making MORE assertions to back up your already flimsy assertions.....

[normiss 723]

On 9/8/2024 at 10:47 AM, wolfriverjoe said:

He doesn't think Harris is the equivalent of Trumpty Dumpty.

He thinks she's worse.

I honestly don't believe that's possible.

[normiss 723]

18 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Trump is eliminating the department of education so there will be $224 billion in savings there. Elon and RFK jr. will come up with other savings programs.

Leon will insist on $5 billion or so for his "skills".

[nigel99 293]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Well then, that's fairly off topic right there. In praise of Kamala I would like to state that she has never advocated for Marxism. And in no way did you answer the question posed and quoted which is what do you predict will happen during her term as POTUS that frightens you so?

You can’t reason and use logic against emotion and gut feel/intuition. Believing without evidence that Harris’s policies will lead to economic collapse and a failed state - an emotional argument straight out of Trumps playbook. Again like Trump any attempt at a logical argument is based on exaggerated worst case scenarios.

One of the reasons Trump is so successful is that he tapes into and exploits fear. He connects emotionally and validates people’s fears.

I think Harris is doing a better job than Biden at appealing to people’s emotions and acknowledging them. The emphasis on joy has been good as an antidote to fear. 

[JoeWeber 2,567]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

Her non-existent of economics, free market or otherwise, makes her ill suited to handle the overleveraged finances of state she will inherit. 

The best case is a Japan style implosion, the worst is either Zimbabwe or Venezuela, all economies that were steered from abundance to something else for various reasons.

Often one administration will sow the seeds of disaster and the next is left holding the bag, which is simply the nature of things.

Thus, the question comes down to when and how bad.  If we decouple the dollar from oil, the tendency will be for the currency to gravitate to its fundamental inherent value, which is zero.  This scenario is the Weimar Republic on steroids, whereby major corporations survived but people died of starvation.

When she relies on Marxist commentary, it does not bode well.  Her opponent is a stable idiot, but at least he has experience with overleveraged organizations and navigating bankruptcy (he stiffs people right and left at the best of times).

I can give examples of economies where people were voted in promising "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs!," but would have to extrapolate greatly to account for scale and position.  I'm also sure the odd Black Swan will be a factor.

 

I'll give you all of that and an Argentina and still see no more than a smoldering camp fire not a powder keg with a lit fuse. Sure Black Swans happen but they aren't necessarily any worse than White Swans or the odd, unexpected Orange Swan which the nation and world also survived. Harris will likely be a place holder for a better Republican down the line while Trump definitely fits the fool me twice mold.

[gowlerk 2,099]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

unexpected Orange Swan

You get a like for that.

[gowlerk 2,099]

TK and Mark, please try to stay on topic by saying something nice about the lovely Kamala in each of your posts on this thread. I understand the need to trash the dotard and his friends sometimes, but if you could add a little praise for the current best choice at the end it would be so wonderfully wonderful.

[SkyDekker 1,291]

On 9/8/2024 at 6:27 AM, winsor said:

Since the US Gov't is in debt to the tune of a third of a million dollars per taxpayer, we need a different kind of leader going forward.  Business as usual is simply not an option.

Venezuela had Hugo Chavez (peace be upon him) and we have Harris to transform our economy.

We have not seen such social equality since the '30s, which will henceforth be known as they 'Pretty Good Depression.'

Vote Democrat for change!

I mean, if reduced deficits are your jam, you should indeed vote Democrat. There is pretty decent historical evidence that deficits are lower under Democrats. Surprised somebody who is so into evidence, science and doing research isn't aware of that.....

[billvon 2,734]

4 hours ago, winsor said:

When she relies on Marxist commentary, it does not bode well.  Her opponent is a stable idiot, but at least he has experience with overleveraged organizations and navigating bankruptcy (he stiffs people right and left at the best of times).

It sounds here like you are listening to (and believing) a politician's words, and ignoring what they actually did as president.

Most people learn that politicians lie fairly early on, and that the only real way to evaluate them is to see what they DO.  And based on that, Harris will be better than Trump for the economy.

Side note.  If you ARE noting what sort of language they are using, and heeding it as a bellwether of what they will do as a president - do you really want someone who is using the language of Hitler leading the US?

 

[tkhayes 261]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

TK and Mark, please try to stay on topic by saying something nice about the lovely Kamala in each of your posts on this thread. I understand the need to trash the dotard and his friends sometimes, but if you could add a little praise for the current best choice at the end it would be so wonderfully wonderful.

as requested.  She has a degree in law and much experience as a prosecutor.  She also has political experience now, years of it.  She has no criminal investigations following her around and she is for liberty, women's rights and the rule of law.  She has never tried to overthrow a government nor is she a communist nor a Marxist, as if anyone here knows anything about what those accusations actually mean

[JoeWeber 2,567]

4 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

as requested.  She has a degree in law and much experience as a prosecutor.  She also has political experience now, years of it.  She has no criminal investigations following her around and she is for liberty, women's rights and the rule of law.  She has never tried to overthrow a government nor is she a communist nor a Marxist, as if anyone here knows anything about what those accusations actually mean

That may satisfy Ken but I need more. I think your next 5 posts need to start with the phrase: "Okay, so some days I have a crappy attitude but..............."