UK violence

[nigel99 298]

Kind of drowned out by the US drama, but far right causing trouble in the UK based on misinformation and lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt

 

[tkhayes 273]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Kind of drowned out by the US drama, but far right causing trouble in the UK based on misinformation and lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt

 

the right wing uses misinformation and lies?  Say it isn't so!

[jakee 1,351]

On 8/5/2024 at 2:17 PM, nigel99 said:

Kind of drowned out by the US drama, but far right causing trouble in the UK based on misinformation and lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt

Never fear, Musk will sort it out...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35w0kj2y4o

[nigel99 298]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Never fear, Musk will sort it out...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35w0kj2y4o

He’s a twat with an over inflated ego. 

[riggerrob 602]

On 8/5/2024 at 6:17 AM, nigel99 said:

Kind of drowned out by the US drama, but far right causing trouble in the UK based on misinformation and lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt

 

Do rioters really consider jail time before they vandalize something?

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[normiss 726]

1 hour ago, riggerrob said:

Do rioters really consider jail time before they vandalize something?

Depends on how broad your brush is IMO.

Some have proven out to not being the rioters at all.

[tkhayes 273]

2 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Do rioters really consider jail time before they vandalize something?

does any criminal consider jail time?  I doubt it.

[gowlerk 2,103]

20 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

does any criminal consider jail time?  I doubt it.

The professional ones do. It is part of the cost of business for them. The average criminal is far too stupid to think very far ahead.

[normiss 726]

45 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

does any criminal consider jail time?  I doubt it.

did the DZ embezzler? 

[jakee 1,351]

11 hours ago, tkhayes said:

does any criminal consider jail time?  I doubt it.

I think we'll see a similar wave of blubbering 'hard men' leaving court after sentencing as you guys did after Jan 6.

But for some more immediate karma, please enjoy this modern art piece entitled "Rioter gets hit in balls with own breezeblock"

 

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[nigel99 298]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

I think we'll see a similar wave of blubbering 'hard men' leaving court after sentencing as you guys did after Jan 6.

But for some more immediate karma, please enjoy this modern art piece entitled "Rioter gets hit in balls with own breezeblock"

 

That’s brilliant!

Jail is an outdated concept mostly, although it is an easy ‘fix’. There aren’t many deterrents that work - even the death penalty doesn’t really stop people.

But crime deserves punishment or education depending on the type of crime.

[riggerrob 602]

6 hours ago, nigel99 said:

That’s brilliant!

Jail is an outdated concept mostly, although it is an easy ‘fix’. There aren’t many deterrents that work - even the death penalty doesn’t really stop people.

But crime deserves punishment or education depending on the type of crime.

Many times, jail only protects the general public against that criminal for "X" number of years.

[riggerrob 602]

What I want to know is why the most recent band of UK thugs were sentenced a mere WEEK after their crimes, while back in 2010, it took British Columbia courts a YEAR to convict vandals who ransacked downtown Vancouver during the Stanley Cup riots.

[Bokdrol 42]

On 8/14/2024 at 3:03 PM, riggerrob said:

What I want to know is why the most recent band of UK thugs were sentenced a mere WEEK after their crimes, while back in 2010, it took British Columbia courts a YEAR to convict vandals who ransacked downtown Vancouver during the Stanley Cup riots.

Government here trying to send a short sharp message to the vandals which seems to be working. Only those who plead guilty are fast tracked. Otherwise it takes the slow train.

[JoeWeber 2,571]

On 8/14/2024 at 4:03 AM, riggerrob said:

What I want to know is why the most recent band of UK thugs were sentenced a mere WEEK after their crimes, while back in 2010, it took British Columbia courts a YEAR to convict vandals who ransacked downtown Vancouver during the Stanley Cup riots.

Rob, this will sting a little but you don't have a clue how the legal system works and that includes lawyers. You had a bad experience but you are not alone and you absolutely are not right to be making the blanket statements that you do. Stick to what you know, rigging and jumping etc., and leave the lawyer bashing thing in your past.

[jakee 1,351]

5 hours ago, Bokdrol said:

Government here trying to send a short sharp message to the vandals

Well, kinda. But compared to the powers the previous government put in place to tackle peaceful protests and other things then sentencing has been quite lenient.

If any pro-Palestinian marchers had conspired to attack police officers en-masse, break into people’s homes, burn cars, public buildings and hotels with people inside then it is a cast iron guarantee they would have been prosecuted under anti-terror laws and be facing decades long sentences, not a few years. Even a group of climate protestors who conspired to hang a flag from a motorway bridge got longer sentences than the members of these violent criminal gangs.

[Phil1111 1,086]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Well, kinda. But compared to the powers the previous government put in place to tackle peaceful protests and other things then sentencing has been quite lenient.

If any pro-Palestinian marchers had conspired to attack police officers en-masse, break into people’s homes, burn cars, public buildings and hotels with people inside then it is a cast iron guarantee they would have been prosecuted under anti-terror laws and be facing decades long sentences, not a few years. Even a group of climate protestors who conspired to hang a flag from a motorway bridge got longer sentences than the members of these violent criminal gangs.

Aren't Brits a violent kinda people to start with? I mean its regular news that football fans are rioting and causing trouble all over Europe.

[riggerrob 602]

6 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Rob, this will sting a little but you don't have a clue how the legal system works and that includes lawyers. You had a bad experience but you are not alone and you absolutely are not right to be making the blanket statements that you do. Stick to what you know, rigging and jumping etc., and leave the lawyer bashing thing in your past.

Joe,

You are correct in stating that I do not understand the Canadian legal system ... but then neither do most Canadian citizens. The Canadian legal system has evolved to the point that it (de jury) no longer resembles the original (de facto) written law. Canadian law is inaccessible to the masses.

Perhaps that is the way that Canadian lawyers prefer it.

But I am a curious person and I continue to ask questions until I understand something.

Today I just mailed two more embarrassing questions to the Law Society of British Columbia.

[jakee 1,351]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Aren't Brits a violent kinda people to start with? I mean its regular news that football fans are rioting and causing trouble all over Europe.

Your news is about 20 years out of date. A combination of criminal justice action and the FA heavily sanctioning clubs who failed to ban violent and racist fans has largely dismantled the old British football hooliganism scene.

These days British fans are far more likely to be the victims of organised violence from clubs who still seem to value their groups of ‘ultras’. Notably in Italy and across Eastern Europe, but local gangs and incompetent policing heavily targeted Liverpool fans in last year’s Champions League final in Paris, for example.

[SkyDekker 1,294]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Aren't Brits a violent kinda people to start with? I mean its regular news that football fans are rioting and causing trouble all over Europe.

Those are the lower class Brits. The upper class Brits are nothing like them and will tell you how these lower class Brits are not real Brits.

Who cares what the plebs do to each other anyways.

[SkyDekker 1,294]

3 hours ago, riggerrob said:

The Canadian legal system has evolved to the point that it (de jury) no longer resembles the original (de facto) written law. Canadian law is inaccessible to the masses.

I don't think you understand de jure and de facto.

Considering we have a common law system it is by definition not as "original written law."

[jakee 1,351]

6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Those are the lower class Brits. The upper class Brits are nothing like them and will tell you how these lower class Brits are not real Brits.

Who cares what the plebs do to each other anyways.

The old line is that rugby is a sport for yobs played by gentlemen and football is a sport for gentlemen played by yobs.

Just FYI on the violence thing though - your murder rate is approximately double ours. If we don't care about our plebs, you appear to be actively trying to do away with yours ; )

[SkyDekker 1,294]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

The old line is that rugby is a sport for yobs played by gentlemen and football is a sport for gentlemen played by yobs.

Just FYI on the violence thing though - your murder rate is approximately double ours. If we don't care about our plebs, you appear to be actively trying to do away with yours ; )

Yes, murder is a part of violence. Amazing perception!

[jakee 1,351]

36 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Yes, murder is a part of violence. Amazing perception!

How upper class of you to be so insensitive to the plight of your countrymen. 

[kallend 1,827]

45 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Those are the lower class Brits. The upper class Brits are nothing like them and will tell you how these lower class Brits are not real Brits.

Who cares what the plebs do to each other anyways.

They were real enough for the Somme in 1916, North Africa in 1941, the North Atlantic 1939-45, Normandy in 1944. . . . .