Patriarchy or Matriarchy?

[nigel99 277]

I wonder if we are seeing a seismic shift from a patriarchal society in the US to a more matriarchal society? 

People are largely fed up with old white men telling them how to live their lives. The whole abortion issue is probably the most visible issue. Secondly, the US is deeply divided and men are typically more combative and more entrenched in their views than women.

Women tend to be peace keepers and want to quell conflict. As a result they are generally better placed to heal a divide. Granted you will always have exceptions and outliers (Marjorie for example).

I would expect men to resist ‘losing control’ and that’s a natural human reaction. But there seems to be a ground swell of women being far more prominent in politics, especially younger women. It seems to take a lot before women say enough is enough. But once that point is reached they tend to take decisive action. For example in divorce, you’ll often see that they tolerate situations, often verbalising their unhappiness time and again, before they snap and leave, at which point the husband is left stunned that ‘I didn’t know she felt that strongly’.

I realise these are sweeping generalisations, men and women each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the dynamics to shift.

Ironically many men who are bullies and in relatively powerful positions are actually quite ‘scared’ of their wives. I’ve seen it in rich and powerful people I’ve worked for, the whole Supreme Court judge flag saga where it was allegedly ‘his wife controls which flag flies at home’. 

[Phil1111 1,053]

Did you mix up America with another country?

[nigel99 277]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Did you mix up America with another country?

Nope! I think that the GOP and Supreme Court and driving their agenda so hard they are mobilising women. 

[tkhayes 243]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I wonder if we are seeing a seismic shift from a patriarchal society in the US to a more matriarchal society? 

People are largely fed up with old white men telling them how to live their lives. The whole abortion issue is probably the most visible issue. Secondly, the US is deeply divided and men are typically more combative and more entrenched in their views than women.

Women tend to be peace keepers and want to quell conflict. As a result they are generally better placed to heal a divide. Granted you will always have exceptions and outliers (Marjorie for example).

I would expect men to resist ‘losing control’ and that’s a natural human reaction. But there seems to be a ground swell of women being far more prominent in politics, especially younger women. It seems to take a lot before women say enough is enough. But once that point is reached they tend to take decisive action. For example in divorce, you’ll often see that they tolerate situations, often verbalising their unhappiness time and again, before they snap and leave, at which point the husband is left stunned that ‘I didn’t know she felt that strongly’.

I realise these are sweeping generalisations, men and women each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the dynamics to shift.

Ironically many men who are bullies and in relatively powerful positions are actually quite ‘scared’ of their wives. I’ve seen it in rich and powerful people I’ve worked for, the whole Supreme Court judge flag saga where it was allegedly ‘his wife controls which flag flies at home’. 

slowly we might actually achieve equality, - it's not an either/or. But still a long way to go.

I would HOPE that women are motivated and mobilizing.... they have been second class citizens since we had citizens and are still considered to be convenient property by a significant segment of the christian right.

[olofscience 456]

14 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the dynamics to shift.

Kamala suddenly replacing Biden has re-energized the dem campaign, and the trumpists are freaking out (like Coreece in the other thread).

They remember what trashing Roe vs. Wade did to the "red wave" in the midterms - how big is the GOP majority now? 1? 

That red wave was destroyed by mainly women turning out to vote. They might do the same again this November.

[JoeWeber 2,527]

14 minutes ago, olofscience said:

They might do the same again this November.

Or they might not. What's your prediction?

[olofscience 456]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Or they might not. What's your prediction?

I could be wrong, but I think they will.

As Charlie XCX has said, "Kamala is brat"

[JoeWeber 2,527]

1 minute ago, olofscience said:

I could be wrong, but I think they will.

As Charlie XCX has said, "Kamala is brat"

Great, we have the Aussie guy making predictions using the sports book, you're using the mood of pop stars, and Ken observing that we just sort of have it coming. Time to consult the I Ching and shake the kau chim, I reckon.

[olofscience 456]

29 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Great, we have the Aussie guy making predictions using the sports book, you're using the mood of pop stars, and Ken observing that we just sort of have it coming. Time to consult the I Ching and shake the kau chim, I reckon.

Hey, you asked for one. No equations were solved in making this, so my guess can be wildly wrong. I prefer being optimistic though.

[gowlerk 2,072]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Or they might not. What's your prediction?

I predict that women will respond and vote in higher than normal numbers. They will turn out for two reasons. To support Kamala and to vote against state representatives who are anti freedom.

[SkyDekker 1,277]

On 7/27/2024 at 8:13 AM, JoeWeber said:

Or they might not. What's your prediction?

I predict 2016

Harris wins popular vte

Trump wins electoral vote.

If I am wrong and the electoral vote goes slightly to Harris, there will be a very protracted legal dispute, likely with a fair bit of violence. State level "operatives" have been put in place for quite some time now. I would not be surprised if judges have been "evaluated" as well.

If anything gets to SCOTUS, Trump wins.