Mike Pence and Liz Chaney

[nigel99 296]

I recently saw a clip of Mike Pence and while I dislike his world views and polices it struck me that he is one of the few republicans with a spine to stand up to Trump. Liz Chaney has also stood her ground. 

I know some republicans have retired or stepped down, but I can’t think of many who have been steadfast in their values. 

[Phil1111 1,084]

Pence isn't in the same class as Cheney Cheney was defeated because of a Trump led effort in her primary. I'd suggest renaming the thread ranking true republicans with the most spine in holding up true conservative values to the Trump crime family.

#1 Liz Cheney.

[lippy 869]

21 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Cheney was defeated because of a Trump led effort in her primary.

Pence was almost much more severley defeated because of a Trump-led effort in the 2020 certification

[Phil1111 1,084]

34 minutes ago, lippy said:

Pence was almost much more severley defeated because of a Trump-led effort in the 2020 certification

Perhaps, but standing beside trump for four years. Sorry let me re-phrase that, kissing Trump's fat ass for four years. Overwhelms the minor efforts Pence made at the end of the Trump term. IMO

[nigel99 296]

52 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Perhaps, but standing beside trump for four years. Sorry let me re-phrase that, kissing Trump's fat ass for four years. Overwhelms the minor efforts Pence made at the end of the Trump term. IMO

Granted but January 6 changed his tune and he appears to have the backbone to have stayed the course.

[Erroll 75]

52 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

the minor efforts Pence made at the end of the Trump term

He didn't 'make any efforts'. . He only did his job. 

Liz Cheney (and Adam Kinzinger) knew their careers were doomed  but they did the right thing anyway.

[JoeWeber 2,571]

Just now, nigel99 said:

Granted but January 6 changed his tune and he appears to have the backbone to have stayed the course.

He did the constitutional duty that he swore to do and was paid in full for his services. F him and the fly that rode in on him.

Edited July 20 by JoeWeber

[ryoder 1,555]

11 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

He did the constitutional duty that he swore to do and was paid in full for his services. F him and the fly that rode in on him.

LOL!!!

[ryoder 1,555]

You also have the ones that said to hell dealing with the MAGA cult idiocy and just left; e.g. Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, Ken Buck.

[Phil1111 1,084]

30 minutes ago, Erroll said:

He didn't 'make any efforts'. . He only did his job. 

Liz Cheney (and Adam Kinzinger) knew their careers were doomed  but they did the right thing anyway.

Adam Kinzinger is a standup straight shooting  republican and I'd rank him just below Cheney.

Perhaps a straight shooter like him and put an end to Trump......No I didn't mean it that way.

Edited July 20 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 2,571]

Just now, ryoder said:

Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, Ken Buck.

It probably means nothing but that is an anagram of Babe Jeff Kneels Fucks Snake.

[JerryBaumchen 1,272]

2 hours ago, Erroll said:

He only did his job. 

Hi Errol,

Actually, he tried not to do his job.  While contemplating on what to do, he called Dan Quayle, a former V-P from Indiana [ also Pence's home state ] and asked what he should do.  It was Quayle who told him to do his duty.

Pence is someone without a backbone in his body.

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 1,084]

5 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Errol,

Actually, he tried not to do his job.  While contemplating on what to do, he called Dan Quayle, a former V-P from Indiana [ also Pence's home state ] and asked what he should do.  It was Quayle who told him to do his duty.

Pence is someone without a backbone in his body.

Jerry Baumchen

Isn't that the nature of a MAGA republican ready to blow with the wind until someone tells them what to do.

[SethInMI 160]

• Justin Amash, who was one of the few Republicans who voted to impeach Trump the first time, is running for the Senate as a Republican in Mich. I can't imagine he has much of a chance, but I voted for him yesterday in the Michigan primaries.  (Mich is open primary so you can vote for one party's candidates without being a member)
  
  Even before impeachment, I liked him, if not his politics. He's too libertarian for me, but certainly seemed to be someone who stuck to his principles pretty consistently.

[BIGUN 1,230]

On 7/19/2024 at 8:41 PM, nigel99 said:

I know some republicans have retired or stepped down, but I can’t think of many who have been steadfast in their values. 

I'll tell you my main reason that I cannot vote for Trump. When you pressure your VP to not certify the election - you've chosen to go against the most core democratic principles in our nation and tried to turn it into a dictatorship. 

[billvon 2,739]

On 7/19/2024 at 11:02 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Actually, he tried not to do his job.  While contemplating on what to do, he called Dan Quayle, a former V-P from Indiana [ also Pence's home state ] and asked what he should do.  It was Quayle who told him to do his duty.

I'm no fan of Pence - but reaching out to someone with more experience than himself during a time of crisis is a point in his favor, not against him.  Being able to ask for (and take) advice is something that's sorely lacking these days in politics.

[JoeWeber 2,571]

Just now, BIGUN said:

I'll tell you my main reason that I cannot vote for Trump. When you pressure your VP to not certify the election - you've chosen to go against the most core democratic principles in our nation and tried to turn it into a dictatorship. 

Good job, you are now at the door ready to jump.