EV sales up again

[billvon 2,739]

For the past few months we've been seeing doom-n-gloom posts by conservatives crowing that EVs are dead because sales aren't growing as fast as they once were.

Now they are back.  Kelley Blue Book reports that sales are up 11.3% from the previous quarter, and up 23% from the first quarter.  Which means it's on track for another 40% increase for the year.  They made up 8% of all new-vehicle sales this quarter; the previous year's record was 7.2%.  If this holds then more than 50% of all cars sold in the US will be electric by 2030.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2024/07/15/sales-surge-shows-the-electric-cars-death-may-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/

[JoeWeber 2,567]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

For the past few months we've been seeing doom-n-gloom posts by conservatives crowing that EVs are dead because sales aren't growing as fast as they once were.

Now they are back.  Kelley Blue Book reports that sales are up 11.3% from the previous quarter, and up 23% from the first quarter.  Which means it's on track for another 40% increase for the year.  They made up 8% of all new-vehicle sales this quarter; the previous year's record was 7.2%.  If this holds then more than 50% of all cars sold in the US will be electric by 2030.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2024/07/15/sales-surge-shows-the-electric-cars-death-may-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/

So which EV would you buy today?

[Stumpy 283]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

So which EV would you buy today?

2nd hand Taycan. 
Very tempted.

[billvon 2,739]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

So which EV would you buy today?

Depends.  Once Ford switches over to NACS I'd be very tempted by the Lightning.  The Kia EV6 is currently getting very good reviews.

[JoeWeber 2,567]

Just now, billvon said:

Depends.  Once Ford switches over to NACS I'd be very tempted by the Lightning.  The Kia EV6 is currently getting very good reviews.

Which EV6 model do you fancy? I have to say the Lightning I'd have never guessed but maybe, like the wintertime guys with pickup truck snow plows in Chicago, you are thinking side cash to save disaster victims. 

[billvon 2,739]

Just now, JoeWeber said:

Which EV6 model do you fancy? I have to say the Lightning I'd have never guessed but maybe, like the wintertime guys with pickup truck snow plows in Chicago, you are thinking side cash to save disaster victims. 

More of a platform to modify to do some V2G experiments.

For EV6 probably the Light LR RWD.

[CygnusX-1 42]

On 7/17/2024 at 2:58 AM, JoeWeber said:

So which EV would you buy today?

Since I already own my daily commuter EV, it would have to be the Rimac Nevera. At least until the Tesla Roadster comes out. Although something a little bit more reasonable would be the Lucid Air Sapphire. Straight line it is putting down some impressive numbers. I just haven't seen how well the car corners or brakes.

 

** I assume by this comment, you were talking about cost no object and I actually had the money to buy any of these cars. **

[JoeWeber 2,567]

Just now, CygnusX-1 said:

Since I already own my daily commuter EV, it would have to be the Rimac Nevera. At least until the Tesla Roadster comes out. Although something a little bit more reasonable would be the Lucid Air Sapphire. Straight line it is putting down some impressive numbers. I just haven't seen how well the car corners or brakes.

 

** I assume by this comment, you were talking about cost no object and I actually had the money to buy any of these cars. **

Nope, fast and cornering mean nada to me. I was thinking about range and quality without paying for flash.

[SkyDekker 1,292]

On 7/16/2024 at 11:58 PM, JoeWeber said:

So which EV would you buy today?

Rivian truck

[JoeWeber 2,567]

19 hours ago, billvon said:

More of a platform to modify to do some V2G experiments.

For EV6 probably the Light LR RWD.

As you understand the system and just pulling it out of somewhere, how much range is sacrificed by the ability to accelerate quickly?  I mean who needs to go 0-60 in less than 5 seconds and what is the cost?

[billvon 2,739]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

As you understand the system and just pulling it out of somewhere, how much range is sacrificed by the ability to accelerate quickly?

Not much.  All the modifications to increase a battery's discharge capacity also tends to increase charge rate - and charge rate is pretty important.  The reason our trip to Vegas was so smooth is that we could get another 200 miles of range in 10 minutes.

[BIGUN 1,230]

On 7/18/2024 at 2:05 PM, billvon said:

Not much. 

Bill, can you help me understand what is going on here? 

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Specifically, engineers must solve a problem that can cause the cells—which are longer and wider than Tesla's previous 2170 cells while retaining a cylindrical form factor—to collapse in on themselves while in use, according to the report.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1143852_report-musk-tells-tesla-4680-battery-team-fix-them-or-we-re-done

 

[BIGUN 1,230]

On 7/18/2024 at 2:05 PM, billvon said:

Not much. 

Found it.  

[billvon 2,739]

On 7/21/2024 at 5:24 AM, BIGUN said:

Bill, can you help me understand what is going on here? 

Not sure.

All lithium chemistry batteries swell and contract a little.  They are sealed, so they can't just vent the extra pressure.  Some have a bigger problem than others.  Nissan pouch cells (Gen2) for example expand so much they damage battery frames.

But to get a can to collapse like that you need the opposite - close to a vacuum - and everything inside the battery will start outgassing before you get even close to a vacuum.

[BIGUN 1,230]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

close to a vacuum - and everything inside the battery will start outgassing before you get even close to a vacuum.

What I found seemed to imply the glue helped create that vacuum 

[billvon 2,739]

15 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

What I found seemed to imply the glue helped create that vacuum 

Yes - but again, so many things inside a battery start outgassing at low pressures that it's hard to see how such a vacuum could be maintained, even if adhesives helped create it.

 

[BIGUN 1,230]

10 minutes ago, billvon said:

t's hard to see how such a vacuum could be maintained, even if adhesives helped create it.

My [limited] understanding was not maintained, but enough to create the vacuum resulting in an "implosion-type" effect resulting in unrepairable structural damage. My suspicion is the matter will be resolved (change out the glue?). One thing about Musk is he can force people to think about alternatives.    

[SethInMI 160]

They have been working on these cells for a number of years now so I don't know if they can solve it in the next 6 months or not.  There are tradeoffs with all materials: cost, durability, reactivity, etc, so finding a new material that meets all requirements is likely not a sure thing.

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,271]

1 minute ago, SethInMI said:

They have been working on these cells for a number of years now so I don't know if they can solve it in the next 6 months or not.  There are tradeoffs with all materials: cost, durability, reactivity, etc, so finding a new material that meets all requirements is likely not a sure thing.

 

Hi Seth,

Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering.

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,462]

5 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Seth,

Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering.

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry,

The problem is that Musk is not an engineer.

He loves to hype stuff. 
Stuff that isn't ready.

[tkhayes 262]

Bluebird is making electric buses.... so much for the industry dying....

Who makes the electric power train? Cummins. 

Again, so much for the industry dying out.

https://www.blue-bird.com/electric/

[tkhayes 262]

EVs cost less to own than similar gas vehicles in most states | Automotive News (autonews.com) - more good news for EVs.

[lippy 867]

I just renewed my auto registration in TX and noticed there's a $200/yr fee to register an EV here now.

I have no problem with the state trying to recoup some of what they would make from fuel taxes in order to keep up the public highways.  I'm just curious is this type of approach is common in other states as well.

[JerryBaumchen 1,271]

6 minutes ago, lippy said:

I just renewed my auto registration in TX and noticed there's a $200/yr fee to register an EV here now.

I have no problem with the state trying to recoup some of what they would make from fuel taxes in order to keep up the public highways.  I'm just curious is this type of approach is common in other states as well.

Hi lippy,

It is in Oregon.  I do not know how much more for EV's as I do not own one.

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,462]

46 minutes ago, lippy said:

I just renewed my auto registration in TX and noticed there's a $200/yr fee to register an EV here now.

I have no problem with the state trying to recoup some of what they would make from fuel taxes in order to keep up the public highways.  I'm just curious is this type of approach is common in other states as well.

Wisconsin is $175. With the gas tax at $0.30/gal, it's a bit over 583 gallons of gas worth.

That's 14,500 miles at 25 mpg.

It was $100 until the Rs jacked it up last summer.