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[brenthutch 420]

According to a Washington Post, lefties are just as prone to conspiracy theories at righties.

[JoeWeber 2,567]

Just now, brenthutch said:

According to a Washington Post, lefties are just as prone to conspiracy theories at righties.

 

I'm going with the simplest reason: his supporters are also too dumb to know who to shoot.

[brenthutch 420]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm going with the simplest reason: his supporters are also too dumb to know who to shoot.

I’m going to go with the even simpler explanation, his detractors are too dumb/clueless/unskilled to make a nearly point blank shot with an  AR.

[richravizza 26]

21 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I’m going to go with the even simpler explanation, his detractors are too dumb/clueless/unskilled to make a nearly point blank shot with an  AR.

Thank God they can't aim, and the right doesn't riot. LOL

Someone said, I was under the assumption that you are a sage? When we all know there is only one, The Sage Larry Elder, LOL the black face of white supremacy in LA.

Leave it up to Tom and Nova within 48 hrs drop this.. The Reactions Priceless.

 Platinum Gangster a hoot.

 

Edited July 15 by richravizza

[lippy 864]

1 hour ago, richravizza said:

Thank God they can't aim, and the right doesn't riot. LOL

Someone said, I was under the assumption that you are a sage? When we all know there is only one, The Sage Larry Elder, LOL the black face of white supremacy in LA.

Leave it up to Tom and Nova within 48 hrs drop this.. The Reactions Priceless.

 Platinum Gangster a hoot.

 

Are you capable of going 3 posts without dropping some YouTube BS?

[winsor 223]

10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I’m going to go with the even simpler explanation, his detractors are too dumb/clueless/unskilled to make a nearly point blank shot with an  AR.

Many moons ago two Philly cops were lured into an alley where two youngsters then blasted away with their 9mm bullet dispensers.

Some 92 empties were collected.  Nobody got hit.

A couple of buddies on the force opined that the availability of Uzis, TEC-9s and the like was a bad thing.

When I asked whether they'd rather go up against one of them with 32 rounds or me with a single shot T/C Contender, the response was "you - you're on our side."

Good point.

At any rate, the shooter was an abysmal marksman - to the detriment of the people who got hit by his incompetence.

This is a rare case where that which didn't kill him only made him (politically) stronger.  The law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head again, and the shooter committed suicide in the process of ensuring the outcome of the election.

The reality is that, when all is said and done, our only choice is from which wellspring of mediocrity we may select our candidate.

If a people get the government they deserve, it appears we suck out loud.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

 

[Phil1111 1,079]

9 hours ago, lippy said:

Are you capable of going 3 posts without dropping some YouTube BS?

Rhetorical I assume? Over 900 YouTube videos spouting nonsense, conspiracy and lies all tied together. For which a lobotomy is required to view should suggest more are upcoming.

[Phil1111 1,079]

8 minutes ago, winsor said:

Many moons ago two Philly cops were lured into an alley where two youngsters then blasted away with their 9mm bullet dispensers.....

If a people get the government they deserve, it appears we suck out loud.

BSBD,

Winsor

Completely agree. A republican who flunked out of shooting school, raised by a democrat mother and libertarian father. Who had to borrow a gun because he somehow missed out on the 1/2 billion other guns in the US. Put his dead foot on the scales of the US election.

Now Trump will cynically have a speech today calling for reconciliation and coming together. Because he knows what the carnival crowd wants.But in a week or two his true colors will come to the fore again.

Meanwhile his carny lead VP contender, J.D. Vance is out-front. He has already blamed it all on Biden. Thus ensuring that the pot of hate remains hot.

Edited July 15 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 2,567]

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I’m going to go with the even simpler explanation, his detractors are too dumb/clueless/unskilled to make a nearly point blank shot with an  AR.

Apparently the party of unlimited Second Amendment Rights are banning all firearms from their convention. Go figure.

[billvon 2,738]

14 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I’m going to go with the even simpler explanation, his detractors are too dumb/clueless/unskilled to make a nearly point blank shot with an  AR.

Yep.  Unfortunately the republicans who DO support him are even more dumb/clueless/unskilled.  

[ryoder 1,553]

Yes, "point blank range". On what planet is this "point blank"?

Source of the photo I used to find the location:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-what-happened/74399097007/

Link to Google Maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Butler,+PA/@40.8576042,-79.9709321,253m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x883362e995b175c9:0x889f1f7d7d75fb67!8m2!3d40.8611755!4d-79.8953328!16zL20vMHpuZDc?entry=ttu

 

[wmw999 2,314]

14 hours ago, richravizza said:

Thank God they can't aim, and the right doesn't riot. LOL

What would you call January 6, 2021? A visit to the Capitol for a group of Revolutionary War re-enactors?

Wendy P.  

[headoverheels 329]

15 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm going with the simplest reason: his supporters are also too dumb to know who to shoot.

I'm going with a simpler reason. He was finally gonna show that high school gun club that they were wrong about his shooting skills.

[billvon 2,738]

8 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

What would you call January 6, 2021? A visit to the Capitol for a group of Revolutionary War re-enactors?

In Foxspace, it is either:

-Antifa and BLM riotiing, looting, vandalizing and killing cops
-A bunch of tourists taking pictures.  Hey, the cops even helped them!  NOT rioters.
-Crisis actors who made it look like it was a riot because mumble mumble Mainstream Media.

[winsor 223]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

Yes, "point blank range". On what planet is this "point blank"?

Source of the photo I used to find the location:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-what-happened/74399097007/

Link to Google Maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Butler,+PA/@40.8576042,-79.9709321,253m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x883362e995b175c9:0x889f1f7d7d75fb67!8m2!3d40.8611755!4d-79.8953328!16zL20vMHpuZDc?entry=ttu

 

I'm not sure to what you're responding, likely someone in my killfile, but "point blank" is an artillery term referring to any range that does not require elevation to hit.  The reference is to a white mark on a Gunner's quadrant - 'pointe blanc' in French, denoting a dead level barrel.

I don't feel like digging out ballistics tables, but as I recall at 130 meters the amount of drop experienced by your basic 5.56x45 mm 55 grain BTSP is little enough that one can use the crosshairs as zeroed.

For a competent marksman, this is pretty much point blank range.  The incident in Butler County was thus on a par with the shootout scene in "Pulp Fiction."

BSBD,

Winsor

[winsor 223]

2 hours ago, headoverheels said:

I'm going with a simpler reason. He was finally gonna show that high school gun club that they were wrong about his shooting skills.

Well, he died trying.

[SkyDekker 1,291]

4 hours ago, winsor said:

don't feel like digging out ballistics tables, but as I recall at 130 meters the amount of drop experienced by your basic 5.56x45 mm 55 grain BTSP is little enough that one can use the crosshairs as zeroed.

If I understand correctly, that would depend on what distance he zeroed his scope on. At a 50 yard zero it would be a 2 inch drop. At a 100 yard zero it would ne negligible.

 

Regardless, considering the deviation was horizontal and not vertical, head movement and cross wind are much more likely factors.

 

Edited to add: this is based on the assumption the actual bullet nicked Trump's ear. It is entirely possible Trump got grazed by a fragment of debris and was actually never shot

Edited July 15 by SkyDekker

[winsor 223]

All things being equal, his lack of expertise resulted in innocents being wounded and killed and his target receiving political benefit.

Nice work there.

[normiss 723]

59 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

If I understand correctly, that would depend on what distance he zeroed his scope on. At a 50 yard zero it would be a 2 inch drop. At a 100 yard zero it would ne negligible.

 

Regardless, considering the deviation was horizontal and not vertical, head movement and cross wind are much more likely factors.

I used to think using wind drift indicators for demos was a complete waste. 

Suddenly, wind drift seems rather important.

[brenthutch 420]

I will say, attempting a headshot at 150 yards with iron sights is not so easy. OTOH with a properly zeroed optic it’s very very easy. My 11 year old can hit a quarter at 200 yards 

[winsor 223]

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I will say, attempting a headshot at 150 yards with iron sights is not so easy. OTOH with a properly zeroed optic it’s very very easy. My 11 year old can hit a quarter at 200 yards 

My guess is that Hanlon's Razor is at play.  Too much of this scenario is FUBAR to be even the most incompetent of conspiracies.

The shooter was a 20 YO kid known for being a laughably bad shot.  He didn't wear International Orange, but perhaps that was an oversight.  As it was he was clearly visible to various and sundry observers - to include LEOs and Secret Service sharpshooters.

The Gov't marksmen were watching him through their rifle scopes for quite some time before he began shooting and, without having to look around, touched off the round that ended the shooting.  Their indecision was amazing - amateur hour at its finest.

Plenty of conspiracy theories have been bandied about already (hey, it's what we do), but the Occam's Razor version is more that the Fuck Up Fairy visited us, or that the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up - pick your metaphor.

If the target had peed himself and become hysterical when nicked, that would be one thing.  Instead, he turned it into a world class photo op.

It's hard to discredit someone who has been in the public eye and 100% consistent for over 40 years.  Bloom County managed to lampoon him back then, but it took a brain transplant with Bill the Cat to do so.  Portraying him as more absurd than is his norm was, an is, rather a challenge.

In any event, the shooter missed an impossibly easy shot, one that he was able to take by virtue of SS hesitation, and bettered the odds of reelection rather than cancelling his ticket.

What the hell, I'm sure much will change before the election - in politics, 4 months is a lifetime.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[Phil1111 1,079]

16 hours ago, normiss said:

I used to think using wind drift indicators for demos was a complete waste. 

Suddenly, wind drift seems rather important.

There was virtually no wind(5-8 mph) and what there was came from downwind to the shot. Shooters 5 o'clock position. I agree with Brent a headshot with AR-15 type iron sights would be harder. There were flags all around Trump, of course, so its not like wind indicators were not available.

Another poll shows 12% of the right and of the left feels violence is either OK or necessary. So there could be another 40 million Americans applauding the event. With another 40 million thinking of Biden. Then analyzing what they could have done better.

[Phil1111 1,079]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

If the target had peed himself and become hysterical when nicked, that would be one thing.  Instead, he turned it into a world class photo op.

BSBD,

Winsor

Well he was more concerned about his shoes than his injuries according to what was discussed with the SS immediately after the shooting. Those custom tailored Italian shoes designed to cushion those 270 lbs of bone spur laden republican are valuable.

[SkyDekker 1,291]

13 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I will say, attempting a headshot at 150 yards with iron sights is not so easy. OTOH with a properly zeroed optic it’s very very easy. My 11 year old can hit a quarter at 200 yards 

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True, but now add a position he may never have shot from before (prone), having been caught by a police officer and knowing you have limited time, heart racing..

Have the 11 year old do a 400 yard sprint, couple of push ups and then yell at him he isn't firing quick enough and see if he can hit that quarter.....

 

[headoverheels 329]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

There was virtually no wind(5-8 mph) and what there was came from downwind to the shot. Shooters 5 o'clock position. I agree with Brent a headshot with AR-15 type iron sights would be harder. There were flags all around Trump, of course, so its not like wind indicators were not available.

 

A 1mph misjudged crosswind component would turn an eye shot into an ear nick.   Or a clean miss into an ear nick.