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Frankly, if the shooter really was a diehard Republican, I wonder if he volunteered for a suicide mission. While I don’t really think Trump is that evil, I have no doubts about some of his advisers  

Wendy P. 

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1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

I always go back to an interview with Charlie Sykes, a conservative journalism, writer and podcaster, after Charlottesville.  He sums it up perfectly... not just this event but a statement on the entirety of Trumps presidency:

From 2017 - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/magazine/charlie-sykes-is-unsure-about-the-future-of-the-gop.html

"I’m assuming you’re not surprised by Trump’s inability to condemn the white-supremacist march. I’m shocked but not surprised. Denouncing Nazis is the easiest thing in the world: All it requires is a modicum of historical perspective and a working moral compass. Instead, we got this Dumpster fire."

 Does the news alway drive your narrative, it took your fact checkers seven years to dispel that rage. I did it live by watching Fox LOL Then by reading the transcript,but that would be irrelevant,futile.

Here verbaum,and in ur best Trump impression, "I'm not talking about the neo nazis or the white supremist,they should be condemned.....Totally". 

I know of a journalist that can call out gaslighting and demagoguery as mere comedy.

You should be upset that some people lied to control your perspective it's a process of brainwashing with phobia, useful to the party but living a lie, is unhealthy.

Would I be correct in assuming your a fan of R.Reich's videos.

As far a Project 2025 Trump said "some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal."  I'll agree, a real  Dumpster fire.

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31 minutes ago, base698 said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

 

> Despite Trump's explicit condemnation of neo-Nazis and white nationalists, the majority of far-right leaders and groups received the speech positively.

Sorry I'm out of likes, but you deserve one for every "news" organization that peddled their lies and hate.

Bravo Sir?.... Pm me if you like.

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7 hours ago, gowlerk said:

The man had a clear shot and missed from a relatively short distance. Obviously the deep state is not what it used to be. It’s lucky for Biden that SCOTUS has already given him immunity. 
 

This is where the MAGA world is going to take this event.

This whole fiasco sounds like poor gun control.

Some of those good-old boys from the National Rifle Association should coach the shooter on how to focus his front sight on the target and breath out slowly while he take sup the slack in the trigger.

Sarcasm alert!

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12 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

This whole fiasco sounds like poor gun control.

Some of those good-old boys from the National Rifle Association should coach the shooter on how to focus his front sight on the target and breath out slowly while he take sup the slack in the trigger.

Sarcasm alert!

Well, here's your problem!

DailyBeast: Donald Trump Shooter Thomas Crooks Didn't Make School Rifle Club: Classmate

“He was asked not to come back because how bad of a shot he was,” said Myers, who was a member of the varsity rifle team and Crooks’ classmate. “It was considered like, dangerous.”

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4 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Frankly, if the shooter really was a diehard Republican, I wonder if he volunteered for a suicide mission. While I don’t really think Trump is that evil, I have no doubts about some of his advisers  

Wendy P. 

Hi Wendy,

Now, it seems as though some his supporters think that Biden is:  Joe Biden sent the orders

Republicans: Biden's 'bullseye' comment partly to blame in Trump attack (bbc.com)

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And, what is truly ironic how so many GOP politicians now say 'we have to stop the rhetoric.'

 

 

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7 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Wendy,

Now, it seems as though some his supporters think that Biden is:  Joe Biden sent the orders

Republicans: Biden's 'bullseye' comment partly to blame in Trump attack (bbc.com)

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And, what is truly ironic how so many GOP politicians now say 'we have to stop the rhetoric.'

 

 

That is so damned asinine!

1. Having his fat ass in the Whitehouse for 4 years means he gets Secret Service protection for life.

2. The SS is a part of the executive branch.

3. The executive branch is headed by Biden.

Biden could give the orders to smother Trump in his sleep and make look like a heart attack. If the SS balked, he could sheep-dip a Navy Seal, and insert him into the SS to get the job done.

And if the coverup got blown, well SCOTUS says Biden has immunity.

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On an average  day 46 Americans are murdered with guns and over 300 are injured.  A rate way more than any other developed nation.

The GOP stoutly opposes any and all attempts to deal with this.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/trump-promises-nra-that-if-elected-no-one-will-lay-a-finger-on-your-firearms-00140818

WTF do they expect?

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

On an average  day 46 Americans are murdered with guns and over 300 are injured.  A rate way more than any other developed nation.

The GOP stoutly opposes any and all attempts to deal with this.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/trump-promises-nra-that-if-elected-no-one-will-lay-a-finger-on-your-firearms-00140818

WTF do they expect?

Yet their convention today won't allow guns in the venue. How will the faithful protect their president from more violence?

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16 hours ago, base698 said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

 

> Despite Trump's explicit condemnation of neo-Nazis and white nationalists, the majority of far-right leaders and groups received the speech positively.

well fwiw, I never said Trump said neo-nazis were 'very fine people'.  I said it took him days to denounce them.  The Neo Nazis, the KKK, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers still support Trump.  Trump might not be a white supremacist neo-nazi rascist, but all the white supremacist neo-nazi rascists sure think he is.

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

On an average  day 46 Americans are murdered with guns and over 300 are injured.  A rate way more than any other developed nation.

The GOP stoutly opposes any and all attempts to deal with this.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/trump-promises-nra-that-if-elected-no-one-will-lay-a-finger-on-your-firearms-00140818

WTF do they expect?

there will not be a peep about guns or gun control.  Avoid, deflect, don't talk about it, move on, nothing to see here.

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16 hours ago, richravizza said:

 Does the news alway drive your narrative, it took your fact checkers seven years to dispel that rage. I did it live by watching Fox LOL Then by reading the transcript,but that would be irrelevant,futile.

Here verbaum,and in ur best Trump impression, "I'm not talking about the neo nazis or the white supremist,they should be condemned.....Totally". 

I know of a journalist that can call out gaslighting and demagoguery as mere comedy.

You should be upset that some people lied to control your perspective it's a process of brainwashing with phobia, useful to the party but living a lie, is unhealthy.

Would I be correct in assuming your a fan of R.Reich's videos.

As far a Project 2025 Trump said "some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal."  I'll agree, a real  Dumpster fire.

that wasn't news, that was an interview with a conservative writer and commentator.  He never said, and I never said Trump said neo-nazis were 'very fine people'.  I said it took him days to denounce them.  The Neo Nazis, the KKK, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers still support Trump.  Trump might not be a white supremacist neo-nazi rascist, but all the white supremacist neo-nazi rascists sure think he is.

So does YOUR interpretation of what is and isn't news always drive YOUR narrative, because Trump actually DID take 3 or 4 days to denounce the neo-nazis.  That's not 'news' nor 'speculation' that is indeed a fact.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html -

This was days after the attacks in Charlottesville, which was Aug-11 or 12 something like that

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adding links to support my claims - like I generally do

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18 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Frankly, if the shooter really was a diehard Republican, I wonder if he volunteered for a suicide mission. While I don’t really think Trump is that evil, I have no doubts about some of his advisers  

Wendy P. 

R only in registration.  Made a small donation to a left leaning group a while back.  Mom was D, Dad was L.

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1 minute ago, airdvr said:

R only in registration.  Made a small donation to a left leaning group a while back.  Mom was D, Dad was L.

Still a registered republican, despite the donation was mad in 2021, 3 years ago.  He had plenty of time to change his registration.  Of course the right wing will say he was a radical leftist because he made a $15 donation 3 years ago to the Progressive Turnout Project, but maybe he's just a republican that likes people coming out to vote, and saw Trump as a threat to that like so many others do.  I mean, how radical left can you be?  Supporting groups that try to register voters..... the nerve!!  pfffffttt.

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

R only in registration.  Made a small donation to a left leaning group a while back.  Mom was D, Dad was L.

I don't think either means anything. Not the small donation, nor the registration. I'll wait for more information to come out.

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On 7/15/2024 at 6:57 AM, airdvr said:

R only in registration. 

Registered republican, never changed.

Keep in mind that lots of republicans would like to see Trump dead.  Mike Pence, Dick Cheney, Mark Esper, John F. Kelly, Mick Mulvaney, Dan Coats, John Danforth, Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton, Stephanie Grisham, Cassidy Hutchinson, Harriet Miers, Omarosa Manigault Newman, Elizabeth Neumann, Karen Pence, Anthony Scaramucci, Marc Short, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, John E. Sununu,Thomas Massie, Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Fred Upton, Chris Christie, Larry Hogan, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Christine Whitman all come to mind.

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Russia's Lavrov welcomes Vance Vance and Trump have the full endorsement of Putin and Russia.

In other news "In June, two American veterans fighting as volunteers in Ukraine, Alex Drueke and Andy Tai Ngoc Huynh, were captured by Russian forces. They were taken to a black site where they were beaten, run into walls with bags over their heads and hooked up to a car battery and “electrocuted,” the men said after being freed in late September.

Between beatings, they told The New York Times, they were interviewed on Russian media outlets, including RT, one of the Kremlin’s primary propaganda organs in the West.

“They stayed away from our faces because they knew that we were going to be on camera, that they were going to try and use this for propaganda.,” Mr. Drueke said. “So they wanted our faces to look OK. But they took care of our bodies pretty good.”... in June, its version of the captives’ story appeared on Rumble, a video-sharing platform that stepped in this year and began carrying RT’s live feed,... Last year, Rumble received a major investment from a venture capital firm co-founded by J.D. Vance"

So JD Vance's Rumble is showing torture propaganda videos of US citizens to help Russia.

 

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On 7/20/2024 at 7:13 PM, billvon said:

Given who the shooter was, sounds like registered republicans are the ones living in fear.

C'mon Bill, that's a lame response. The kid was only 20 YO, way too young to have political ideolgies. He was just crazy. I'll admit my post was premature.

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12 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

C'mon Bill, that's a lame response. The kid was only 20 YO, way too young to have political ideolgies. He was just crazy. I'll admit my post was premature.

Hi Ron,

While I tend to agree with you; it was your guy Reagan who gave this country the 18-yr old vote.  He thought they were old enough to have political ideolgies.

Jerry Baumchen

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33 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Ron,

While I tend to agree with you; it was your guy Reagan who gave this country the 18-yr old vote.  He thought they were old enough to have political ideolgies.

Jerry Baumchen

The 26th Amendment, signed by Nixon in 1971, lowered the voting age to 18 for all elections in the US.  Some states already had that age.  e.g., Georgia since 1943.

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