Election Violence

[Phil1111 1,054]

7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

"Many a tear has to fall but it's all in the game". You are a hard man to respect sometimes. No matter, richravizza thinks you are a sage. So you have that.

Pennsylvania is a hotbed for political radicalization in America. The shooter was a registered republican. A recent poll showed 10% of Americans believe political violence is justified to prevent Trump from becoming president, so 33 million Americans. Eight percent of Americans were in the process of arming themselves in anticipation of political violence. Another 14% felt that a civil war was likely in the next couple years.

mmmmm OTOH Shooter a republican, two days before the RNC convention, used a AR-15 the favorite gun of the GOP, Trump a former TV reality showman/actor.

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[obelixtim 127]

39 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

That goes both ways. When the Left is describing a potential second Trump term as “the end of democracy” and “the country won’t survive if Trump gets elected” this was bound to happen.

(or describing Trump supporters as Nazis)

Everything Trump and the MAGA mob say and do suggest the end of democracy is exactly their aim. And a lot of their rhetoric is straight out of the Nazi playbook. 

[lippy 855]

13 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I feel no pity for him, not that I condone it. Trumps reaction was weird, the guy is not right in the head. Who has a near miss and needs to be muscled into the car as he’s pumping his fist? 

Trump is weird, in general, but his reaction to fist pump and cheer on the crowd was scary smart of him, politically speaking. 

[brenthutch 416]

53 minutes ago, obelixtim said:

Everything Trump and the MAGA mob say and do suggest the end of democracy is exactly their aim. And a lot of their rhetoric is straight out of the Nazi playbook. 

Do you think it is ok to shoot Nazis?

[tkhayes 243]

11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

What did you guys expect. If you claim Trump is an existential threat to the country, wouldn’t it be the responsibility of every patriot to eliminate the threat? 

that is actually a good point.  notice the lack of actual violence and violent threats/assassination attempts against Joe Biden....

why?  Because he's actually a decent guy doing a decent job, you can all drum up rhetoric, but there is no reason to consider an assassination.  Even with the price of gas the way it is... and my god! groceries too!

But at least some patriotic American saw and acted on Trump as the threat to democracy, America, and the world that he actually is.  Looks like the guy was a republican. 

Sending tots and pears.

[tkhayes 243]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Do you think it is ok to shoot Nazis?

yes, especially when they drive their cars through crowds of people and murder them.

[tkhayes 243]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Pennsylvania is a hotbed for political radicalization in America. The shooter was a registered republican. A recent poll showed 10% of Americans believe political violence is justified to prevent Trump from becoming president, so 33 million Americans. Eight percent of Americans were in the process of arming themselves in anticipation of political violence. Another 14% felt that a civil war was likely in the next couple years.

mmmmm OTOH Shooter a republican, two days before the RNC convention, used a AR-15 the favorite gun of the GOP, Trump a former TV reality showman/actor.

it's no different than when Obama got elected.  I would bet there were hundreds of people across the country, sitting in their living rooms, polishing their rifles and mumbling 'I'm gonna be the one...'

two dozen of them here alone - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_Barack_Obama

[wolfriverjoe 1,454]

3 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

...But at least some patriotic American saw and acted on Trump as the threat to democracy, America, and the world that he actually is.  Looks like the guy was a republican...

Maybe.

Or maybe he was a male prostitute who Trump refused to pay.

[tkhayes 243]

10 minutes ago, lippy said:

Trump is weird, in general, but his reaction to fist pump and cheer on the crowd was scary smart of him, politically speaking. 

yeah definitely a 'I'm a hero look at me' moment but also confirms his disconnect from reality.

[Phil1111 1,054]

13 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

...But at least some patriotic American saw and acted on Trump as the threat to democracy, America, and the world that he actually is.  Looks like the guy was a republican. ...

I hear where you're coming from. But IMO that type of rhetoric is not necessary. As Brent and BIGUN have oft repeated a Trump win is not the end of America.

The US political class are all calling out how terrible and dark this event was. Yet nobody called out Trump for threatening violence. Threatening violence, also know as intimidation needs to be pursed by law enforcement and the courts.

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[obelixtim 127]

47 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Do you think it is ok to shoot Nazis?

Yes. Before they shoot me.......or you.

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[BIGUN 1,229]

38 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

As Brent and BIGUN have oft repeated a Trump win is not the end of America.

Morning, Phil

American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, The Great Depression. WWII, Korea, Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam, 1989, 9/11, 2008 recessions, Iraq Afghanistan, and COVID. We are if nothing else; Tenacious.  

[kallend 1,803]

15 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Morning, Phil

American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, The Great Depression. WWII, Korea, Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam, 1989, 9/11, 2008 recessions, Iraq Afghanistan, and COVID. We are if nothing else; Tenacious.  

England is still there 958 years after the Norman Conquest.

[kallend 1,803]

Maybe the GOP will start to think more seriously now about keeping guns away from loonies.  (But I doubt it).

[Phil1111 1,054]

21 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Morning, Phil

American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, The Great Depression. WWII, Korea, Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam, 1989, 9/11, 2008 recessions, Iraq Afghanistan, and COVID. We are if nothing else; Tenacious.  

Trump in the end will likely make America stronger. Xi and Putin have weakened their respective countries more than any leaders since WW ll. The US has the strongest economy, the reserve currency, is the leader in technology, food and fuel independent. Trump has exposed weakness and flaws in the political system.

This idiot shooter who may be called a patriot by some. In fact will likely galvanize support for Trump and likely hand Trump re-election. Whatever damage Trump inflicts during a second term can be undone. The radical ideas of disbanding entire federal agencies is fatally flawed. The GOP may need to change its name and entire philosophies after a second Trump term.

But America, like a aircraft carrier can turn around, change direction because its a democracy. Not a dictatorship or kingdom ruled by cliques or elites. It will find its way.

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[tkhayes 243]

59 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

As Brent and BIGUN have oft repeated a Trump win is not the end of America.

The US political class are all calling out how terrible and dark this event was. Yet nobody called out Trump for threatening violence. Threatening violence, also know as intimidation needs to be pursed by law enforcement and the courts.

I disagree with that.  If he gets the majority of house and senate (unlikely), he will never leave office, ever, not under any circumstances and the GOP will let that happen.  Even if he loses, they already have plans in place to disrupt the election again, possibly sending it to the states for adjudication.  All the checks and balances will be re-appointed with Trump loyalists who are also equally a threat to America, democracy and the world.

Threats are already regularly pursued by law enforcement, but apparently the Supreme Court is on Trumps side and shoots all those efforts to hell.  yet another example of the end of America.

[gowlerk 2,072]

The man had a clear shot and missed from a relatively short distance. Obviously the deep state is not what it used to be. It’s lucky for Biden that SCOTUS has already given him immunity. 
 

This is where the MAGA world is going to take this event.

[Phil1111 1,054]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

I disagree with that.  If he gets the majority of house and senate (unlikely), he will never leave office, ever, not under any circumstances and the GOP will let that happen.  Even if he loses, they already have plans in place to disrupt the election again, possibly sending it to the states for adjudication.  All the checks and balances will be re-appointed with Trump loyalists who are also equally a threat to America, democracy and the world.

Threats are already regularly pursued by law enforcement, but apparently the Supreme Court is on Trumps side and shoots all those efforts to hell.  yet another example of the end of America.

Chaos and anarchy is the result of all that. But in the end the one or two right wing hardliners on the USSC have still shot down ALL of Trump's nutty cases that made it to them from the last "stolen" election.

Go to the fridge, grab a beer, a week from now the perspective will be clearer.

[riggerrob 598]

Not bright enough to duck when someone is shooting at him!

[winsor 220]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

England is still there 958 years after the Norman Conquest.

Inshallah.

[JoeWeber 2,527]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

Trump in the end will likely make America stronger.

Golly Phil, I'm starting to get a little wet eyed here. Did we really have it so wrong? Maybe it's me who shouldn't vote.

[base698 3]

3 hours ago, lippy said:

Trump is weird, in general, but his reaction to fist pump and cheer on the crowd was scary smart of him, politically speaking. 

https://x.com/carolinedowney_/status/1812523884404490457

[Phil1111 1,054]

32 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Golly Phil, I'm starting to get a little wet eyed here. Did we really have it so wrong? Maybe it's me who shouldn't vote.

I'm with you, Bill and Jerry. But in a democracy if someone knows the issues and isn't motivated by a narcissistic self interest. Then my very important vote may get cancelled out by that other vote. You vote may get cancelled out by Brent. But thats why they call it a democracy.

I get pissed when the ignorant get some idea that is wrong, obviously wrong. Yet they make no effort to learn the facts. To not let facts govern their thinking. As per the other thread a Trump win would be a four year sh*tshow. A cabal of aspiring fascists like the one envisioned by Trump and FOX. Can't and won't wreck America.

Its still four months to elections. Likely several lifetimes in US politics. Should Trump win, since thats proof there is obviously no god. I suggest several cases of that El Dorado? rum you like so much. Its going to be rough seas.

[tkhayes 243]

19 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

I'm with you, Bill and Jerry. But in a democracy if someone knows the issues and isn't motivated by a narcissistic self interest. Then my very important vote may get cancelled out by that other vote. You vote may get cancelled out by Brent. But thats why they call it a democracy.

I get pissed when the ignorant get some idea that is wrong, obviously wrong. Yet they make no effort to learn the facts. To not let facts govern their thinking. As per the other thread a Trump win would be a four year sh*tshow. A cabal of aspiring fascists like the one envisioned by Trump and FOX. Can't and won't wreck America.

Its still four months to elections. Likely several lifetimes in US politics. Should Trump win, since thats proof there is obviously no god. I suggest several cases of that El Dorado? rum you like so much. Its going to be rough seas.

I always go back to an interview with Charlie Sykes, a conservative journalism, writer and podcaster, after Charlottesville.  He sums it up perfectly... not just this event but a statement on the entirety of Trumps presidency:

From 2017 - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/magazine/charlie-sykes-is-unsure-about-the-future-of-the-gop.html

"I’m assuming you’re not surprised by Trump’s inability to condemn the white-supremacist march. I’m shocked but not surprised. Denouncing Nazis is the easiest thing in the world: All it requires is a modicum of historical perspective and a working moral compass. Instead, we got this Dumpster fire."

[base698 3]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

I’m assuming you’re not surprised by Trump’s inability to condemn the white-supremacist march. I’m shocked but not surprised. Denouncing Nazis is the easiest thing in the world: All it requires is a modicum of historical perspective and a working moral compass. Instead, we got this Dumpster fire."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

 

> Despite Trump's explicit condemnation of neo-Nazis and white nationalists, the majority of far-right leaders and groups received the speech positively.

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