EV trip in the real world

[BIGUN 1,230]

50 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

two Teslas on the side of the road and wondered if that had to do with the 103 degree (indicated) heat. 

It was 110-114 Degrees here last week and the Teslas ran fine. Instead of wondering; you could have asked.   

[BIGUN 1,230]

36 minutes ago, kallend said:

Take your pick:

I pick you, Bill & Nerdgirl to come up with a solution. I'm great at building teams. :)  

[SethInMI 158]

It's interesting to check-in with Brent every year or so to see how his opinion on EVs and climate change is doing, just to see that moment when it is obvious to all that EVs are actually a good idea and climate change is man-made.  But short of that, not really worth debating, we've had this "are EVs good on long trips?" chat before and nothing new has happened since.

[SethInMI 158]

fwiw we are on our Independence weekend road trip, drove from MI to Philly for 4 days.  Same as all my other road trips, stop 10-20 min every two-three hours stretch legs pee get food. I don't mind the breaks, but what is annoying is the cost.  Supercharging is like 3x the cost of home charging; it is more expensive to take the Tesla on a long trip than the Mazda, but the Tesla just travels better. 

The hotel we are at has complimentary charging which sort of makes up for it, pays for our side trips to Atlantic City and Wilmington and a start on the drive home on Monday.
 

[brenthutch 418]

1 hour ago, SethInMI said:

fwiw we are on our Independence weekend road trip, drove from MI to Philly for 4 days.  Same as all my other road trips, stop 10-20 min every two-three hours stretch legs pee get food. I don't mind the breaks, but what is annoying is the cost.  Supercharging is like 3x the cost of home charging; it is more expensive to take the Tesla on a long trip than the Mazda, but the Tesla just travels better. 

The hotel we are at has complimentary charging which sort of makes up for it, pays for our side trips to Atlantic City and Wilmington and a start on the drive home on Monday.
 

No EVs are not good on a long trip. As you say yourself, every two to three hours requires 10-20 minute charging stops and I am sure you aren’t counting the time I takes getting on and off of the interstate or if you have to wait until a station is available. You don’t have the option of pressing one if you feel like it. This whole “I like to get a bite to eat every two hours” is a lame attempt to turn a bug into a feature. 

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[wmw999 2,311]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No EVs are not good on a long trip. As you say yourself, every two to three hours requires 10-20 minute charging stops and I am sure you aren’t counting the time I takes getting on and off of the interstate. You don’t have the option of pressing one if you feel like it. This whole “I like to get a bite to eat every two hours” is a lame attempt to turn a bug into a feature. 

That all depends on whether the drive is part of the fun. When I’m going somewhere I don’t always choose the fastest way or the longest hours.

Wendy P. 

[brenthutch 418]

10 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

That all depends on whether the drive is part of the fun.

Wendy P. 

Or if charging is part of the fun.

[normiss 723]

15 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

That all depends on whether the drive is part of the fun. When I’m going somewhere I don’t always choose the fastest way or the longest hours.

Wendy P. 

Motorcycle routing apps allow me to choose the curviest path. I love it.

We've also made some long trips an adventure by choosing routes and areas that have things we want to see or experience.

Like going to Colorado via the Bourbon Trail in Kentucky.

Making life an adventure is so much more fun.

[billvon 2,720]

58 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No EVs are not good on a long trip. As you say yourself, every two to three hours requires 10-20 minute charging stops and I am sure you aren’t counting the time I takes getting on and off of the interstate or if you have to wait until a station is available. You don’t have the option of pressing one if you feel like it. This whole “I like to get a bite to eat every two hours” is a lame attempt to turn a bug into a feature. 

From personal experience they are great at long trips for families, business travelers and skydivers.  Perhaps for 75 year old drivers who still haven't figured out how to use RFID credit cards they are not ideal.

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This whole “I like to get a bite to eat every two hours” is a lame attempt to turn a bug into a feature. 

And this whole "I can hold it for six hours" nonsense is an even lamer attempt to justify fear of new technology.

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 How can Bill claim “we could get there-fast” when he spends an hour at a charging station?

I posted this specifically to refute that sort of claim - "an hour to charge."  We never stopped for more than ten minutes.  And the first time could have been four minutes - but the gas station bathroom wasn't working so I had to scope out a place in the desert where no one would see me peeing.

But I guess you'd have to read the post to get that.

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As long as Bill limits his travels based on supercharger availability he will be fine. Unless, of course, that particular station is down. In which case he is screwed. 

So in other words, they are just like gas stations for gas cars.

Actually EVs are considerably better in that situation.  If all the gas stations are closed, you're screwed.  If all the chargers are shut down, well - all I need is an outlet.  And most stores/homes are not going to have an issue with taking $20 for $2 worth of power.

[Phil1111 1,077]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

No EVs are not good on a long trip. As you say yourself, every two to three hours requires 10-20 minute charging stops and I am sure you aren’t counting the time I takes getting on and off of the interstate or if you have to wait until a station is available. You don’t have the option of pressing one if you feel like it. This whole “I like to get a bite to eat every two hours” is a lame attempt to turn a bug into a feature. 

 

Thankfully you never had to live through the transition from horses to cars.Horses fend for themselves and supply free gas rather than needing it. They don't need oil changes and don't get flat tires.They can find their way home without a map.

[billvon 2,720]

10 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

 

Thankfully you never had to live through the transition from horses to cars.Horses fend for themselves and supply free gas rather than needing it. They don't need oil changes and don't get flat tires.They can find their way home without a map.

Yeah!  And what if you're drunk?  Ol' Dobbin will find his way home no matter how soused you are.  With a car, you'll DIE!!!!!!!

I guess if you buy a car you just have to live anywhere you have a beer!  That's the opposite of convenient!  Stupid libs don't know how gas cars work.

[brenthutch 418]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

Yeah!  And what if you're drunk?  Ol' Dobbin will find his way home no matter how soused you are.  With a car, you'll DIE!!!!!!!

I guess if you buy a car you just have to live anywhere you have a beer!  That's the opposite of convenient!  Stupid libs don't know how gas cars work.

Wow what a pathetic non sequitur 

[lippy 861]

56 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Wow what a pathetic non sequitur 

The rest of us sequited just fine….why don’t you get onboard?

[brenthutch 418]

7 minutes ago, lippy said:

The rest of us sequited just fine….why don’t you get onboard?

To the delusion express?

[billvon 2,720]

32 minutes ago, lippy said:

The rest of us sequited just fine….why don’t you get onboard?

He understood just fine; he's by no means dumb.  But he gets a bigger response if he pretends he doesn't.

[billvon 2,720]

On 7/6/2024 at 4:26 PM, JoeWeber said:

Possibly cheaper, if not easier, would be to train some people to not go to Vegas when it's 108 and Baker at 114.

Well at least we timed it right.  Tomorrow it's going to be 118 in Vegas and 123 in Baker.  

So if anyone's going, an EV is probably a better choice than a gas car.  Those things overheat, especially when you run the A/C.

[JoeWeber 2,561]

Just now, billvon said:

Well at least we timed it right.  Tomorrow it's going to be 118 in Vegas and 123 in Baker.  

So if anyone's going, an EV is probably a better choice than a gas car.  Those things overheat, especially when you run the A/C.

If anyones going be a sport and leave at home your much needed therapy dogs.

[billvon 2,720]

11 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

If anyones going be a sport and leave at home your much needed therapy dogs.

On the other hand it could save Kristi Noem the cost of a shell.

[olofscience 459]

15 hours ago, billvon said:

Perhaps for 75 year old drivers who still haven't figured out how to use RFID credit cards they are not ideal.

Well Brent is not 75, he's at least several thousand years old given his memories of the last glacial period - damn, he's soooo glad it's hotter now! (forgetting the fact that he made hundreds of posts denying it was getting hotter)

[Phil1111 1,077]

5 hours ago, olofscience said:

Well Brent is not 75, he's at least several thousand years old given his memories of the last glacial period - damn, he's soooo glad it's hotter now! (forgetting the fact that he made hundreds of posts denying it was getting hotter)

That explains why knuckle dragging seems to be a common theme in his opinions.

[kallend 1,822]

22 hours ago, billvon said:

From personal experience they are great at long trips for families, business travelers and skydivers.  Perhaps for 75 year old drivers who still haven't figured out how to use RFID credit cards they are not ideal.

 

Enough with the ageism!

[brenthutch 418]

22 hours ago, billvon said:

all I need is an outlet.  And most stores/homes are not going to have an issue with taking $20 for $2 worth of power.

An outlet and three days.

“But you can only charge slowly–at about 3 miles of range per hour parked. It's about as practical as refilling a gas car's tank with an eye dropper. It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla car battery using a regular wall outlet.”

 

Edited July 8 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,561]

19 hours ago, billvon said:

And most stores/homes are not going to have an issue with taking $20 for $2 worth of power.

I can think of a whole bunch of neighborhoods, a lot of cities, and a few entire states where you don't want to be knockin' on doors suggesting that shit homey. Just sayin'.

[olofscience 459]

42 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

It will take up to 4 full days to fully recharge an empty Tesla car battery using a regular wall outlet.

US power sockets are pretty anaemic. Most of the world is on 220-240V and take nowhere that long.

[billvon 2,720]

47 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I can think of a whole bunch of neighborhoods, a lot of cities, and a few entire states where you don't want to be knockin' on doors suggesting that shit homey. Just sayin'.

I'm thinking the guy in the Stop n Shop making minimum wage for sitting behind a counter for eight hours.