Who will replace Biden?

[tkhayes 259]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Yep.  I believe the term he used was "terminate."  Which is no surprise, because he has also stated that parts of the Constitution are "phony."

That's the biggest issue for me.  You can say stupid stuff about the Constitution or threaten to throw journalists in jail.  That could be some rhetorical trick to attract the extremists.  But you can't follow a woman into a store, plan to rape her, then execute your plan unless you are inherently evil.

Christian Nationalists are OK with rape.  It's in the bible and besides, Trump is god's pick despite the rape - afterall god works in mysterious ways.

Much like herioin addicts, the party has an excuse for everything and anything.

[SCS422 24]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

No one said he was convicted of rape.  The statute of limitations has expired, so he can't be convicted of that crime.

We DID say he is a rapist.  He raped E. Jean Carroll 28 years ago.  He said he didn't; two separate and independent civil juries determined that he was lying, and that he did indeed rape her.  

All three possible findings [rape, sexual abuse, forcible touching] are forms of battery, so a finding that Mr. Trump had engaged in any of these would be sufficient to hold him liable for battery," she said.

"The most precise way to say it would be something like, 'The jury found by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll and therefore was liable for battery.'"

Florey added that to satisfy liability for rape, Carroll would "have had to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump penetrated her with his penis."

Although Carroll did not establish this, it does not mean that the jury did not believe her.

since this is a civil court the preponderance of evidence is MUCH lower and only 51% needs to be in either side and in actual fact clear evidence is often not needed only a convincing testimony, anyway I'm out of this, I don't like politics its a dirty business and very little good comes from debating this old stuff.

Edited July 16 by SCS422

[normiss 723]

16 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

All three possible findings [rape, sexual abuse, forcible touching] are forms of battery, so a finding that Mr. Trump had engaged in any of these would be sufficient to hold him liable for battery," she said.

"The most precise way to say it would be something like, 'The jury found by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll and therefore was liable for battery.'"

Florey added that to satisfy liability for rape, Carroll would "have had to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump penetrated her with his penis."

Although Carroll did not establish this, it does not mean that the jury did not believe her.

since this is a civil court the preponderance of evidence is MUCH lower and only 51% needs to be in either side and in actual fact clear evidence is often not needed only a convincing testimony, anyway I'm out of this, I don't like politics its a dirty business and very little good comes from debating this old stuff.

Rapist, multiple victims, some under 13. Fraud. Convicted felon. Liar. Cheat. Insurrectionist. Treason. Espionage. Business failure. Twice impeached. Legally prevented from operating a business in NY. 

There are plenty of other titles he's earned, anyone one of which should be sufficient reason to not support him. He's just a broken piece of shit human and everything he touches dies.

Fuck traitor Trump and the idiots who support him.

[billvon 2,732]

22 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Florey added that to satisfy liability for rape, Carroll would "have had to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump penetrated her with his penis."

That's what Trump's lawyer claimed - that he didn't really rape her.  The judge quickly set him straight.  "Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.” 

[JerryBaumchen 1,264]

14 minutes ago, billvon said:

That's what Trump's lawyer claimed - that he didn't really rape her.  The judge quickly set him straight.  "Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.” 

Hi Bill,

That is the problem with facts:  They are so factual.

Jerry Baumchen

[tkhayes 259]

20 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

That is the problem with facts:  They are so factual.

Jerry Baumchen

yeah much like Trump stealing money from his Foundation and getting caught, pleading guilty, paying fines and having it shut down.  Trumper MAGA types dismiss it - 'it's not theft, he wasn't convicted of theft'.  They can justify ANYTHING because it is a cult.  And to admit they were wrong at any point in their lives would disrupt all their entire belief structures and their core self.  It is easier to just keep going.

Cannot fix delusional stupid.

[SkyDekker 1,289]

1 hour ago, SCS422 said:

Florey added that to satisfy liability for rape, Carroll would "have had to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump penetrated her with his penis."

Ohh so you are fine supporting somebody who forcibly fingered a woman against her will.

That makes it sooo much better.

[billvon 2,732]

40 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Ohh so you are fine supporting somebody who forcibly fingered a woman against her will.

An act that is commonly known as "rape."

[normiss 723]

52 minutes ago, billvon said:

An act that is commonly known as "rape."

It still strikes me as odd that words actually mean things and that some people don't understand that.

[wolfriverjoe 1,462]

43 minutes ago, normiss said:

It still strikes me as odd that words actually mean things and that some people don't understand that.

Naaahhh.

It's just denial. 

They love Trumpty Dumpty.

They aren't pieces of shit.

Only a piece of shit could love a rapist.

Therefore, Donnie Von Schitzenpants isn't a rapist.

[wmw999 2,313]

Naw, it's the Clinton defense -- it's not sex if there isn't a penis in a vagina. Consent doesn't really mean much, because after all she really wants it. They all do, unless they're walking around escorted, or with long skirts, or protected somehow by a MAN.

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 1,078]

3 hours ago, normiss said:

Rapist, multiple victims, some under 13. Fraud. Convicted felon. Liar. Cheat. Insurrectionist. Treason. Espionage. Business failure. Twice impeached. Legally prevented from operating a business in NY. 

There are plenty of other titles he's earned, anyone one of which should be sufficient reason to not support him. He's just a broken piece of shit human and everything he touches dies.

Fuck traitor Trump and the idiots who support him.

Yet for his followers at the republican convention many were evidently crying during Trump's introduction.

[kallend 1,822]

4 hours ago, normiss said:

Rapist, multiple victims, some under 13. Fraud. Convicted felon. Liar. Cheat. Insurrectionist. Treason. Espionage. Business failure. Twice impeached. Legally prevented from operating a business in NY. 

There are plenty of other titles he's earned, anyone one of which should be sufficient reason to not support him. He's just a broken piece of shit human and everything he touches dies.

Fuck traitor Trump and the idiots who support him.

And he's on video admitting that he grabs women by the pussy and gets away with it because he's a celebrity.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=access+hollywood+trump&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1000US1000&oq=access+hollywood+trump&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEwNTc1ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:df7143b3,vid:fYqKx1GuZGg,st:0

[Phil1111 1,078]

4 hours ago, normiss said:

Rapist, multiple victims, some under 13. Fraud. Convicted felon. Liar. Cheat. Insurrectionist. Treason. Espionage. Business failure. Twice impeached. Legally prevented from operating a business in NY. 

There are plenty of other titles he's earned, anyone one of which should be sufficient reason to not support him. He's just a broken piece of shit human and everything he touches dies.

Fuck traitor Trump and the idiots who support him.

 

10 minutes ago, kallend said:

And he's on video admitting that he grabs women by the pussy and gets away with it because he's a celebrity.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=access+hollywood+trump&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1000US1000&oq=access+hollywood+trump&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEwNTc1ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:df7143b3,vid:fYqKx1GuZGg,st:0

Yet for all of that Biden was protesting during an interview today that the media is focused on his age. Letting slide all the lies that Trump told during the debate.Lies are the least of Trump's bad conduct.

It makes me wonder if a 1,000 year plague is coming for America. To punish it for worshiping Lucifer.

[johnhking1 89]

21 hours ago, brenthutch said:

That is what we get when DEI is deemed more important than merit.

Every time I see DEI, all I can think of is  Dale Earnhardt Inc.  They are giving him a worse reputation than Teresa.  

[SkyDekker 1,289]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Naw, it's the Clinton defense -- it's not sex if there isn't a penis in a vagina. Consent doesn't really mean much, because after all she really wants it. They all do, unless they're walking around escorted, or with long skirts, or protected somehow by a MAN.

Wendy P.

Yes, the I did not have sexual relations with that woman....

There never really was a question about non-consent in that case though. There is certainly a discussion about whether consent really can be given under such a power dynamic. But, she always maintained everything was consensual.

[nigel99 291]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Naw, it's the Clinton defense -- it's not sex if there isn't a penis in a vagina. Consent doesn't really mean much, because after all she really wants it. They all do, unless they're walking around escorted, or with long skirts, or protected somehow by a MAN.

Wendy P.

you reminded me of this video that made the rounds a few years ago.

[JerryBaumchen 1,264]

Hi folks,

It has been my opinion for some time:  Kamala Harris Suffers Major Polling Blow (msn.com)

 The four who performed best, outpacing Biden by roughly 5 points, were U.S. Senator Mark Kelly from Arizona, Maryland Governor Wes Moore, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

Plus, I was just reading where Pelosi is working the background to remove Biden from the ticket.

Should be an interesting convention.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I continue to be amazed how the news continually tries to makes some news out of the NothingBurger that these conventions are.

 

[wmw999 2,313]

Kelly and Moore (in any order) would make a ton of sense to me. Whitmer has said she’s not interested, and I’ll take her at her word. Shapiro might get Pennsylvania, which is important. But a former astronaut would be cool regardless 

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 2,564]

Just now, wmw999 said:

Kelly and Moore (in any order) would make a ton of sense to me. Whitmer has said she’s not interested, and I’ll take her at her word. Shapiro might get Pennsylvania, which is important. But a former astronaut would be cool regardless 

Wendy P. 

Kelly and Shapiro. That can win. Moore is too young which removes the argument that Vance is too young. Schiff has now openly called for Biden's removal. Somehow we simply cannot resist chewing off our legs after the trap is open. Honestly, as someone who respects firm leadership, even when I am in disagreement, I have to say we totally suck. Bottom line: a wound cannot heal unless you quit picking at the scab and that we seem unable to do. 

[wmw999 2,313]

Frankly, I don't consider mid-40's to be too young. Late 30's for a Veep, either. I do consider 2-3 years of being a senator to be too inexperienced, but Kennedy didn't have all that much more than that. The fact that he appears to be a personable asshole and toady would disqualify Vance from my point of view (and I really liked Hillbilly Elegy)

It's time to respect younger people and new ideas. Really. Madison was in his 30's and Jefferson in his 40's during the writing of the Constitution. Yes, Franklin was old, but he was about the only one.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,264]

Hi folks,

Very interesting:  If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody, the doctors came and said you've got this problem, that problem

Biden discloses what would make him drop out of 2024 race (msn.com)

And this:  Biden tests positive for COVID-19

President Joe Biden tests positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas, has ‘mild symptoms’ - oregonlive.com

Stay tuned, film at 11.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And, Schiff is now calling for Joe to give it up.

Pelosi Ally Adam Schiff Calls on Biden to Drop Out of the Presidential Race (yahoo.com)

[wmw999 2,313]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Frankly, I don't consider mid-40's to be too young. Late 30's for a Veep, either. I do consider 2-3 years of being a senator to be too inexperienced, but Kennedy didn't have all that much more than that. The fact that he appears to be a personable asshole and toady would disqualify Vance from my point of view (and I really liked Hillbilly Elegy)

It's time to respect younger people and new ideas. Really. Madison was in his 30's and Jefferson in his 40's during the writing of the Constitution. Yes, Franklin was old, but he was about the only one.

Wendy P.

And I think that the question is: do we want to pull in more veterans, African Americans, and not-Trump Republican moderates, or Pennsylvanians. Because both are important demographics, in choosing between Shapiro and Moore.

I hadn't thought about Kelly. He's a brilliant choice because, well, he's an astronaut, and everyone loves astronauts. Not to mention that he has a body double for appearances 

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 1,078]

The latest polling shows that 60% of democrats agree with Jerry that Biden should withdraw. In addition 70 % of Americans don't think that Biden can win including nearly 1/2 of democrats. Only 37% of democrats think Biden can win.

All of these figures don't bode well for democrat turnout.

[JerryBaumchen 1,264]

Hi folks,

As always, money talks:  Donors’ cash is drying up, Jeffrey Katzenberg warns Biden in private meeting | Semafor

Jerry Baumchen