proper reserve deployment

[SCS422 24]

I'm thinking about getting back into it but it's been YEARS since i jumped last, i have 7 reserve deployments but it was easier then, crap above, cutaway, done.  I have pretty much decided on my rig, Infinity w/Optimum, AAD Maards, with all this stuff in my reserve i am visualizing the proper procedures,it's still crap above get rid of it but i have never had a total and with all that stuff attached to my reserve i am wondering what goes on with a total????

[JerryBaumchen 1,240]

48 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

I'm thinking about getting back into it but it's been YEARS since i jumped last, i have 7 reserve deployments but it was easier then, crap above, cutaway, done.  I have pretty much decided on my rig, Infinity w/Optimum, AAD Maards, with all this stuff in my reserve i am visualizing the proper procedures,it's still crap above get rid of it but i have never had a total and with all that stuff attached to my reserve i am wondering what goes on with a total????

Hi 442,

Watch here:  RAX Demo (youtube.com)

Or, the videos on the VSE website.

Jerry Baumchen

[SCS422 24]

31 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi 442,

Watch here:  RAX Demo (youtube.com)

Or, the videos on the VSE website.

Jerry Baumchen

Nice, that shows the deployment but i'd like to know exactly how it does that on a total.  I didn't know you lived in beaverton, I am in Springfield

[JerryBaumchen 1,240]

6 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Nice, that shows the deployment but i'd like to know exactly how it does that on a total.  I didn't know you lived in beaverton, I am in Springfield

Hi neighbor,

Look here:  Velocity Skydiving Equipment | Infinity Rigs and Skydiving Gear (velocityrigs.com)

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  VSE is now located in Sisters, OR; you could easily just take a day & visit Kelly.  Call ahead to make sure he will be there & that they will be open.   A couple of hours there & you should learn a lot.

 

Edited June 27 by JerryBaumchen

[SCS422 24]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi neighbor,

Look here:  Velocity Skydiving Equipment | Infinity Rigs and Skydiving Gear (velocityrigs.com)

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  VSE is now located in Sisters, OR; you could easily just take a day & visit Kelly.  Call ahead to make sure he will be there & that they will be open.   A couple of hours there & you should learn a lot.

 

I am going there with  my canopies to get fitted for the containers,  I am going to check ALL things out when i go

[Veis 28]

Yes, but this trigger steals some piece of energy of the PC, if deployment were without cutaway. We recently had a fatal case with suspected involvement of MARD..

The simpler the better, IMHO.

[SCS422 24]

3 minutes ago, Veis said:

Yes, but this trigger steals some piece of energy of the PC, if deployment were without cutaway. We recently had a fatal case with suspected involvement of MARD..

The simpler the better, IMHO.

Where was this at and what are the arrived at particulars?

[Veis 28]

25 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Where was this at and what are the arrived at particulars?

Waiting for the report..

 

[SCS422 24]

22 minutes ago, Veis said:

Waiting for the report..

 

I watched this but could not determine how the maards system was involved.  ie. no attempt at a cutaway that i could determine and if he had an AAD most likely was not falling fast enough for it to deploy the reserve.  Disclaimer.....this is only my "not well informed opinion"

Edited June 27 by SCS422

[Veis 28]

53 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

I watched this but could not determine how the maards system was involved.  ie no attempt at a cutaway that i could determine and if he had an AAD most likely was not falling fast enough for it to deploy the reserve.  Disclaimer.....this is only my "not well informed opinion"

The speed is too low for AAD, but sufficient for normal PC operation. For comparison, my cutaway in research tests with similar conditions (a small ellipse, a carousel, entering a reserve at the time of unlocking 3 rings).Without any MARDs, RSL etc.

https://youtu.be/wQEj7FxSIcU

Edited June 27 by Veis

[Iwan 44]

No RSL, no MARD, just good training in the harness. Good plan of the skydive and altitude awareness. Don't think about marketing bullshit which never could be better that respect and the training. 

[SCS422 24]

I have all three of those but i am also open to improvements in the status quo,  if nothing advanced we would all be jumping B4's and 24 twills.  I remember when Piggyback started everybody said WTH.

[riggerrob 598]

On 6/27/2024 at 3:53 PM, SCS422 said:

I watched this but could not determine how the maards system was involved.  ie. no attempt at a cutaway that i could determine and if he had an AAD most likely was not falling fast enough for it to deploy the reserve.  Disclaimer.....this is only my "not well informed opinion"

His biggest problem was wasting waaaaay too much time with his malfunctioning main. 

[SCS422 24]

Truer words were never spoken

[kleggo 143]

On 6/27/2024 at 10:47 AM, SCS422 said:

but i have never had a total and with all that stuff attached to my reserve i am wondering what goes on with a total????

pull the handle

have faith in your rigger and container manufacturer that the flaps will open and the pilot chute will launch, extracting the freebag.

[SCS422 24]

2 hours ago, kleggo said:

pull the handle

have faith in your rigger and container manufacturer that the flaps will open and the pilot chute will launch, extracting the freebag.

I wanted  to know (I went to the Velocity site to find out) the exact sequence of events that take place when there is a MARD and AAD in place.

Edited July 3 by SCS422

[GoneCodFishing 24]

From 5 minutes here you can probably work out how it works

 

And if you got facebook here he explains more in detail

https://www.facebook.com/vserigs/videos/570961116931929/

[gowlerk 2,071]

2 hours ago, SCS422 said:

I wanted  to know (I went to the Velocity site to find out) the exact sequence of events that take place when there is a MARD and AAD in place.

 If you have a total and do not pull your reserve handle your AAD will fire and your MARD will release it's hold on the reserve bridle allowing the reserve P/C to deploy the freebag and canopy in the usual way. If you pull the handle on time the same thing will happen. The MARD releasing is accomplished in different ways depending on the manufacturer so the exact sequence will depend on the design. The specific information for each is available on their websites. MARDs add considerable complexity to reserve deployment systems and require careful attention from riggers. Manufacturers go to great lengths to make them as foolproof as possible. It is regrettable that once the container is closed there is no way short of opening it to check for correct rigging.

Edited July 3 by gowlerk

[SCS422 24]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

 If you have a total and do not pull your reserve handle your AAD will fire and your MARD will release it's hold on the reserve bridle allowing the reserve P/C to deploy the freebag and canopy in the usual way. If you pull the handle on time the same thing will happen. The MARD releasing is accomplished in different ways depending on the manufacturer so the exact sequence will depend on the design. The specific information for each is available on their websites. MARDs add considerable complexity to reserve deployment systems and require careful attention from riggers. Manufacturers go to great lengths to make them as foolproof as possible. It is regrettable that once the container is closed there is no way short of opening it to check for correct rigging.

Yes, the Devil is in the details with that setup and requires careful attention that's why I wanted to obtain as much info as possible on the operation of that system.

[SCS422 24]

1 hour ago, SCS422 said:

Yes, the Devil is in the details with that setup and requires careful attention that's why I wanted to obtain as much info as possible on the operation of that system.

The reason I am going to great lengths is that I have not jumped in years (read my first post) and wish to start again, I only have a few jumps on squares and I wish to be entirely cognizant of the new way reserves are setup, the way totals are addressed now withs the RSL and MARD is very different than when I stopped jumping.  

[JerryBaumchen 1,240]

5 hours ago, gowlerk said:

 If you have a total and do not pull your reserve handle your AAD will fire and your MARD will release it's hold on the reserve bridle allowing the reserve P/C to deploy the freebag and canopy in the usual way. If you pull the handle on time the same thing will happen. The MARD releasing is accomplished in different ways depending on the manufacturer so the exact sequence will depend on the design. The specific information for each is available on their websites. MARDs add considerable complexity to reserve deployment systems and require careful attention from riggers. Manufacturers go to great lengths to make them as foolproof as possible. It is regrettable that once the container is closed there is no way short of opening it to check for correct rigging.

Hi Ken,

Not totally true.  The VSE MARD can be seen by the window in the upper closing reserve flap.

Jerry Baumchen