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[gowlerk 2,103]

6 minutes ago, kallend said:

Yet another Trump insider calls Donald a racist:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jul/23/donald-trump-n-word-book

 

In the early 70s nearly everyone used that word freely. We also used all of the now forbidden words that described people with non-approved gender preferences. 

[normiss 726]

5 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

In the early 70s nearly everyone used that word freely. We also used all of the now forbidden words that described people with non-approved gender preferences. 

Completely disagree, or we hang out with an entirely different class of people.

Racism has disgusted me since I was a little kid. I blame the Air Force for the CRT education bits - we learned a LOT about other races in the American schools. I'm thankful for that.

[gowlerk 2,103]

Just now, normiss said:

Completely disagree, or we hang out with an entirely different class of people.

Racism has disgusted me since I was a little kid. I blame the Air Force for the CRT education bits - we learned a LOT about other races in the American schools. I'm thankful for that.

It was probably different for us. Here in Winnipeg there were very few black people at the time. None that I knew personally. The N word was used in the usual childhood rhymes and we used it against each other. Not black people. It wasn't really about racism. Our particular flavour of racism involved fear and distrust of native peoples. This would be early 70s at the latest. When I became an older teenager I began to understand why it was wrong. 

[kallend 1,834]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

In the early 70s nearly everyone . . . .

Not where I was in the 70s.  Or  60s.  Even "Eeny meeny" had its words changed.  

[wmw999 2,321]

24 minutes ago, kallend said:

Not where I was in the 70s.  Or  60s.  Even "Eeny meeny" had its words changed.  

Yeah, I heard a kid say it the other way and asked my mother about it, and she said that wasn't a word we used.

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,741]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

In the early 70s nearly everyone used that word freely.

We didn't.  

I did have a neighbor though whose parents were virulent racists.  "Don't pick that up off the ground - a n*gger might have peed on it!" was one of their common admonitions to their son.  I tried it on for size in our house and was very quickly told how inappropriate it was.  And maybe because we had a fairly large black population in our school, it wasn't used there either.

[ryoder 1,558]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

In the early 70s nearly everyone used that word freely. We also used all of the now forbidden words that described people with non-approved gender preferences. 

Even SNL used it once!

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,276]

On 7/24/2024 at 10:12 AM, ryoder said:

Even SNL used it once!

 

Hi Robert,

Lindsay Graham is fighting a losing battle:  Every day we’re talking about her heritage . . .  is a good day for her and a bad day for us.

Lindsey Graham urges Donald Trump to stop attacks on Kamala Harris race, heritage (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

[nigel99 302]

On 8/5/2024 at 3:52 AM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Robert,

Lindsay Graham is fighting a losing battle:  Every day we’re talking about her heritage . . .  is a good day for her and a bad day for us.

Lindsey Graham urges Donald Trump to stop attacks on Kamala Harris race, heritage (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

I find it funny that Trump gets riled by being called Donald. I think Cohen brought it into the limelight. I wish more news channels would pick up on it and destroy his brand identity!

[billvon 2,741]

Can anyone decode this rant?

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE.  He feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the U.S. Presidency, a COUP, to the people in the World he most hates, and he wants it back, NOW!!!"

Apparently Trump is terrified of debating Harris so he's fantasizing about a way he can debate Biden again.

[nigel99 302]

57 minutes ago, billvon said:

Can anyone decode this rant?

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE.  He feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the U.S. Presidency, a COUP, to the people in the World he most hates, and he wants it back, NOW!!!"

Apparently Trump is terrified of debating Harris so he's fantasizing about a way he can debate Biden again.

Yes, it’s easy and here’s a helpful guide. 

https://raisingchildren.net.au/toddlers/behaviour/crying-tantrums/tantrums

[billvon 2,741]

More and more republicans are worried that Trump is having a nervous breakdown.

Matthew Bartlett, Republican strategist and former Trump appointee: “This is what you would call a public nervous breakdown.  This is a guy who cut through the Republican primary like a knife through butter. This is a guy who pummeled a semi-conscious president in a debate and literally out of a race. And now this is a guy who cannot come to grips with a competitive presidential race that would require discipline and effective messaging.  And we’re seeing a candidate and a campaign absolutely melt down.”

Paul Dame, Chair of the Vermont Republican Party: “I think we’re starting to see the old Trump that a lot of Republicans got tired of in 2020, got tired of defending him.  If the next three months is defined by more examples like this I think he’s going to see some of that soft centrist support deteriorate.”

Adam Kinzinger, part of Republicans for Harris: “This is a man who is incapable of controlling his emotions.  Against all advice, against all sanity, he is attacking the Republican governor of Georgia... Donald Trump is losing his marbles.”

Anonymous GOP strategist: “Every day Trump swipes at shiny objects — attacking the popular governor of a swing state, questioning the race of his opponent, or battling cat lady comments by his VP — is a day he is letting Harris define herself on her own terms.”

GOP political consultant Mike Madrid: “Trump fatigue is real. America is ready to move on.”

Keep it up Donald!  The more people you alienate, the safer America is.

 

[Stumpy 283]

10 hours ago, billvon said:

Can anyone decode this rant?

"What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE.  He feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the U.S. Presidency, a COUP, to the people in the World he most hates, and he wants it back, NOW!!!"

Apparently Trump is terrified of debating Harris so he's fantasizing about a way he can debate Biden again.

The MAGidiots seem to be buying into this narrative that Jill and Joe are going to fight and snatch back the nomination and therefore sink the election campaign - despite all this happening entirely in trumps head. It's so weird.

[kallend 1,834]

TRUMP'S GUY WINS PRIMARY.

The power of a Trump endorsement was shown in the MO Governor's race primary yesterday.

He endorsed all three of the leading candidates: Lt. Gov. Mike Kehoe, Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft and state Sen. Bill Eigel. Kehoe won.

Seems to be a new ploy:  Trump issued endorsements to multiple candidates in a handful of primaries in the last couple of weeks.  

[ryoder 1,558]

54 minutes ago, kallend said:

TRUMP'S GUY WINS PRIMARY.

The power of a Trump endorsement was shown in the MO Governor's race primary yesterday.

He endorsed all three of the leading candidates: Lt. Gov. Mike Kehoe, Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft and state Sen. Bill Eigel. Kehoe won.

Seems to be a new ploy:  Trump issued endorsements to multiple candidates in a handful of primaries in the last couple of weeks.  

Well, if it worked in the primaries, maybee he will start using the same tactic in the general elections. LOL!

[jakee 1,354]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Seems to be a new ploy:  Trump issued endorsements to multiple candidates in a handful of primaries in the last couple of weeks.  

Does he realise that means even when he wins he’s a two time loser?

[tkhayes 274]

On 6/8/2024 at 5:10 PM, brenthutch said:

Raises 12 million dollars in Nancy Pelosi’s district in one night 

Where will your alliances be when Trump loses YET ANOTHER election?  I mean despite your ideology, if you continue to select loser and vote for losers, that does not actually get you ahead in life.

Just curious what the 'average' MAGA trumper type decides after another loss?

[ryoder 1,558]

4 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

Where will your alliances be when Trump loses YET ANOTHER election?  I mean despite your ideology, if you continue to select loser and vote for losers, that does not actually get you ahead in life.

Just curious what the 'average' MAGA trumper type decides after another loss?

You know the MAGA rules for elections:

"Heads, I win. Tails, YOU CHEATED!!!"

[riggerrob 603]

On 7/24/2024 at 7:40 AM, gowlerk said:

It was probably different for us. Here in Winnipeg there were very few black people at the time. None that I knew personally. The N word was used in the usual childhood rhymes and we used it against each other. Not black people. It wasn't really about racism. Our particular flavour of racism involved fear and distrust of native peoples. This would be early 70s at the latest. When I became an older teenager I began to understand why it was wrong. 

Agreed and I grew up in a small town in southern Quebec.

The small pox had killed off most of the indigenous Abenaki Indians before white men settled there around 1800. I was probably 10 years old the first time (mid 1960s) I met a black man who was a refugee from the war between Biafra and Nigeria.

A few years later one of the professors - at Bishop's University - adopted a small African-American boy.

The first wave of Afro-Americans to land in Canada were slaves owned by the (British) United Empire Loyalists. UEL had backed the wrong side in the American Revolutionary War and were forced to re-locate after the war. Some of them moved up the Atlantic Coast to Nova Scotia, but soon learned that Nova Scotia had far too little soil and and growing season was far too short to support plantation-style agriculture, so they freed their dark-skinned slaves and they got land grants in places like East Preston, Nova Scotia. East Preston borders on useless for farming because the soil is so thin, hence many Nova Scotia blacks migrated to the big city of Halifax. See "Africaville" for how well they were treated in Halifax..

Bottom line, there were few dark-skinned people in Canada outside of major cities. That only changed when the British revised immigration laws in 1962. After that, major cities saw an influx of immigrants from British colonies like Jamaica.

[billvon 2,741]

7 hours ago, Stumpy said:

The MAGidiots seem to be buying into this narrative that Jill and Joe are going to fight and snatch back the nomination and therefore sink the election campaign - despite all this happening entirely in trumps head. It's so weird.

And then when they don't, Trump supporters can blame liberals for making the race harder for Trump to win - which is sort of their superpower.

[billvon 2,741]

21 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

Just curious what the 'average' MAGA trumper type decides after another loss?

Same thing as last time.  "Sham election" "dead people voting" "voter fraud" "stolen"

[nigel99 302]

18 hours ago, tkhayes said:

Where will your alliances be when Trump loses YET ANOTHER election?  I mean despite your ideology, if you continue to select loser and vote for losers, that does not actually get you ahead in life.

Just curious what the 'average' MAGA trumper type decides after another loss?

The scary thing about Donald and MAGA is that they are an extremist group and cult. There are a couple of social psychology theories that predict the likely trajectory of Donald and MAGA as they lose the limelight and power.

We’re likely to see the following escalation from Donald, I realise he already ticks many of the boxes but it's likely to increase. 

1. Increased use of dramatic, emotive and inflammatory rhetoric to galvanise his base.
2. Blaming and scapegoating external enemies (Dem’s and media etc) and internal traitors. Using conspiracies to explain his declining popularity.
3. Increasing emphasis on how he is the one and only true saviour for the country.
4. Increasing repression against perceived internal dissenters to try and prevent defections.
5. Increasing the “us vs. them” mentality and attempting to rally his base against a common enemy.

For the MAGA crowd, we are likely to see them:

1. Increased loyalty and radicalisation. Doubling down on their commitment to Donald as he faces external criticism. Starting off with increased pressure to conform and dissenting voices being suppressed, but escalating to purges and purity tests as they get rid of people they perceive as traitors.
2. Increased solidarity and cohesion within MAGA as they become more extreme and insular against the ‘threat’ against Donald. Intensified propaganda and public displays of loyalty to Donald.
3. Hostility and violence towards their political opponents, seen as a threat to Donald. 

We tend to overestimate how intelligent and rational people are and that surely “they will see the light”. Unfortunately I don’t think there is a ‘happy ending’ at the end of this election cycle, and that after 'another loss' the MAGA crowd will turn to violence. If you’re interested have a look at Conflict Theory and Social Identity Theory.

[Stumpy 283]

They don't believe there is any way that trump can lose the election, therefore if they lose, the democrats must have stolen it. No amount of evidence will prove otherwise. Sounds a bit like religion to me

[winsor 225]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

The scary thing about Donald and MAGA is that they are an extremist group and cult. There are a couple of social psychology theories that predict the likely trajectory of Donald and MAGA as they lose the limelight and power.

We’re likely to see the following escalation from Donald, I realise he already ticks many of the boxes but it's likely to increase. 

1. Increased use of dramatic, emotive and inflammatory rhetoric to galvanise his base.
2. Blaming and scapegoating external enemies (Dem’s and media etc) and internal traitors. Using conspiracies to explain his declining popularity.
3. Increasing emphasis on how he is the one and only true saviour for the country.
4. Increasing repression against perceived internal dissenters to try and prevent defections.
5. Increasing the “us vs. them” mentality and attempting to rally his base against a common enemy.

For the MAGA crowd, we are likely to see them:

1. Increased loyalty and radicalisation. Doubling down on their commitment to Donald as he faces external criticism. Starting off with increased pressure to conform and dissenting voices being suppressed, but escalating to purges and purity tests as they get rid of people they perceive as traitors.
2. Increased solidarity and cohesion within MAGA as they become more extreme and insular against the ‘threat’ against Donald. Intensified propaganda and public displays of loyalty to Donald.
3. Hostility and violence towards their political opponents, seen as a threat to Donald. 

We tend to overestimate how intelligent and rational people are and that surely “they will see the light”. Unfortunately I don’t think there is a ‘happy ending’ at the end of this election cycle, and that after 'another loss' the MAGA crowd will turn to violence. If you’re interested have a look at Conflict Theory and Social Identity Theory.

I know enough people who loathe the Republican candidate but utterly despise woke Marxism that your evaluation is not entirely accurate.

The choice is thus akin to having to choose between having to eat excrement and poison - which can be a tough decision.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[jakee 1,354]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

I know enough people who loathe the Republican candidate but utterly despise woke Marxism that your evaluation is not entirely accurate.

I guess it is tough to decide whether to take an imaginary problem more seriously than a real one.