Climate Change/Global Warming [On Topic]

[meakins 0]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Sorry about the facts.

Sorry you didn't read the facts in the attached .pdf.

In the last few years there has been a continued push by environmental advocacy groups (and the media) to tie specific events, especially extreme events, such as flooding, hurricanes etc., to large-scale global warming. However, the amount of actual warming in the deep at- mosphere, where these weather events are generated, is not rising at a rapid pace. In fact, observations continue to show considerably less warming than all theoretical global climate models used in AR6 available as of its release in 2021. For example, Figure 26 compares the tropical temperature trends at various altitudes for the models (hypotheses) used in AR6 and actual observations, demonstrating the overheating which characterizes the models (for more details see Christy and McNider 2017, McKitrick and Christy 2020 and Mitchell et al.1

 

Still love ya Bill!

[lippy 855]

1 hour ago, meakins said:

Sorry you didn't read the facts in the attached .pdf.

In the last few years there has been a continued push by environmental advocacy groups (and the media) to tie specific events, especially extreme events, such as flooding, hurricanes etc., to large-scale global warming. However, the amount of actual warming in the deep at- mosphere, where these weather events are generated, is not rising at a rapid pace. In fact, observations continue to show considerably less warming than all theoretical global climate models used in AR6 available as of its release in 2021. For example, Figure 26 compares the tropical temperature trends at various altitudes for the models (hypotheses) used in AR6 and actual observations, demonstrating the overheating which characterizes the models (for more details see Christy and McNider 2017, McKitrick and Christy 2020 and Mitchell et al.1

 

Still love ya Bill!

You get your degree from the same place Brent got his MBA?  

[billvon 2,687]

3 hours ago, meakins said:

Sorry you didn't read the facts in the attached .pdf.

So there's a problem with just finding some denier material and copying it without reading it.  Specifically, nothing in your copy-n-paste contradicts anything I posted.

In the future, reading (and understanding) what you post can help avoid such embarassing mistakes.

[olofscience 456]

10 hours ago, meakins said:

That the crisis is caused by, or can be controlled by humans, is a scam. Don't be scammed. Do some serious research

*starts new climate denier bingo sheet*

[wolfriverjoe 1,454]

15 hours ago, meakins said:

Climate changes. It always has. That the crisis is caused by, or can be controlled by humans, is a scam. Don't be scammed. Do some serious research, especially non-climate scientists.

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/aosc/climatechangePDF/AlabamaClimatePracticalGuide2.pdf

Seriously?

The 'hole in the ozone layer' was caused by the prolific uses of CFCs. By humans.
The Montreal Accords that largely banned those resulted in the ozone layer recovering.

Burning incredible amounts of high sulfur coal resulted in acid rain, which wreaked havoc in lots of areas. Most well known is the Northeast US, but large parts of Eastern Europe (former Soviet Bloc) were affected even worse. The lack of freedoms prevented the crisis from being widely known.
Reducing or eliminating the use of 'soft' coal greatly reduced acid rain.

Something like 700 lakes in the Adirondacks were considered 'dead' at the worst point. No life in them. 

Many, but not all have recovered, at least partially.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2021/03/acid-rain-is-leaving-the-adirondacks-but-scientists-say-restoration-is-still-a-long-way-off/

[johnhking1 83]

I just read an article that the earths rotation is slowing due to the glaciers melting and the water being distributed around the globe.,  Sorry, I don't have a link to the article.

[BIGUN 1,229]

3 minutes ago, johnhking1 said:

earths rotation is slowing due to the glaciers melting

NASA

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-funded-studies-explain-how-climate-is-changing-earths-rotation

[kallend 1,803]

19 hours ago, meakins said:

  Do some serious research, especially non-climate scientists.

  

Have you consdered taking your own advice and reaading some peer reviewed research instead of that rubbish.

[JerryBaumchen 1,243]

2 hours ago, johnhking1 said:

I just read an article that the earths rotation is slowing due to the glaciers melting and the water being distributed around the globe.,  Sorry, I don't have a link to the article.

Hi John,

I saw that yesterday, also.  And, I do not have a link.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  But, but, what about our clocks?

 

[JoeWeber 2,527]

Just now, johnhking1 said:

I just read an article that the earths rotation is slowing due to the glaciers melting and the water being distributed around the globe.,  Sorry, I don't have a link to the article.

Good. When it slows enough I’m getting off.

[johnhking1 83]

28 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi John,

I saw that yesterday, also.  And, I do not have a link.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  But, but, what about our clocks?

 

No wonder my GPS was off 2 inches.

[billvon 2,687]

21 hours ago, meakins said:

Climate changes. It always has. That the crisis is caused by, or can be controlled by humans, is a scam.

BTW here's what John Christy, the author of that article you posted, said about that:

"It is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way."

So yes, we are changing the climate, per the author of your link.

[gowlerk 2,072]

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Good. When it slows enough I’m getting off.

No one gets out. Not even dead.

[JoeWeber 2,527]

Just now, gowlerk said:

No one gets out. Not even dead.

That's where we continue to not think beyond current definitions. Could be that there is a way to get out without being dead. Imagine a civilization orders of magnitude more advanced than ours that has the ability to separate consciousness from their corporeal selves. Ridiculous, right?  But we can do it now. We can, instead of our absurd space programs that waste money putting people in orbit, send speaking imagery of ourselves to millions of star systems for cheap and with the enormous savings be aggressively exploring our own solar system for proof that the common chemistry we believe exists in the universe really is likely to produce life. 

[BIGUN 1,229]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Imagine a civilization orders of magnitude more advanced than ours that has the ability to separate consciousness from their corporeal selves.

I sometimes wonder if there was a human race before us that existed. What if the blue marble shed all human life.

There's growing evidence of ancient civilizations that were wiped out. Evidence of those civilizations are seen megalithic structures in Central/South America, Africa & Asia that are out of place with our current model of human history. 

What if they advanced on a trajectory not unlike our current one and we are three generations from wiping out the planet again forcing another mother nature evolutionary track to an earth reboot v.3. 

This is the kind of shit that keeps me up at night. :)

[wolfriverjoe 1,454]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

...There's growing evidence of ancient civilizations that were wiped out. Evidence of those civilizations are seen megalithic structures in Central/South America, Africa & Asia that are out of place with our current model of human history...

Can you please share some of that evidence?

Not being snarky, genuinely curious.

Almost everything I've seen of the 'ancient advanced civilizations with technology beyond what we have now' has been shown to be inaccurate. 

[kallend 1,803]

On 7/19/2024 at 4:55 PM, meakins said:

Climate changes. It always has. That the crisis is caused by, or can be controlled by humans, is a scam. Don't be scammed.  

Getting back on topic:

To claim that there is some kind of scam involving a conspiracy between thousands of meteorologists, climatologists, chemists, physicists, geologists, paleontologists, glaciologists, botanists and other scientists from NOAA, NASA, ESA, and meterological offices all over Europe, Asia, Africa, north and south America, Oceana, and bases in Antarctica is  absurd.  No way such a global conspiracy could be kept secret.

Only someone who is gullible enough to believe MAGA lies could possibly believe such a thing.

[BIGUN 1,229]

3 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

'ancient advanced civilizations with technology beyond what we have now' has been shown to be inaccurate. 

I said nothing about technology.

[billvon 2,687]

 

3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I said nothing about technology.

Let me know if you want to keep this thread on topic or go back to being a normal thread.

[BIGUN 1,229]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Let me know if you want to keep this thread on topic or go back to being a normal thread.

Guilty. On topic, please. 

[billvon 2,687]

NWS put out another extreme heat warning for Nevada and California - they are looking at temperatures over 100 in most places.

Bakersfield 110
Fresno 110
Sacramento 105
San Jose 96
Palm Springs 110
Redding 112

Odd that San Diego, the most southerly city in California, has been one of the cooler areas.  This is likely due to the marine layer, which is more pervasive this year due to warmer water temperatures.

[JoeWeber 2,527]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

NWS put out another extreme heat warning for Nevada and California - they are looking at temperatures over 100 in most places.

Bakersfield 110
Fresno 110
Sacramento 105
San Jose 96
Palm Springs 110
Redding 112

Odd that San Diego, the most southerly city in California, has been one of the cooler areas.  This is likely due to the marine layer, which is more pervasive this year due to warmer water temperatures.

Maybe for a side gig you could get one of those big EV busses and take paying customers on an Inland Empire Tour to escape the San Diego gloom, and for just a few bucks more toss in an add on to Nevada sort of like upselling outside vid.

[kallend 1,803]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

NWS put out another extreme heat warning for Nevada and California - they are looking at temperatures over 100 in most places.

Bakersfield 110
Fresno 110
Sacramento 105
San Jose 96
Palm Springs 110
Redding 112

Odd that San Diego, the most southerly city in California, has been one of the cooler areas.  This is likely due to the marine layer, which is more pervasive this year due to warmer water temperatures.

102 in Perris.

[Phil1111 1,054]

On 7/20/2024 at 12:21 PM, JoeWeber said:

Good. When it slows enough I’m getting off.

So you, Musk and a bunch of insane-explorers on Starship off to a place where there are no oceans, no skydiving, no nothing. Do you know Musk's children will be onboard. That you can't laugh at their names. Can't criticize Musk.

[kallend 1,803]

By Sarah Kaplan, WaPo

July 23, 2024 at 12:56 p.m. EDT

Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate change is pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.

The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.

“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”

Clearly these guys are in on the scam, eh meakins!