JoeyH 0 #1 October 21, 2013 This may be a repost, idk. but SERIOUSLY???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Sr0XlBgOQCarpe Diem, even if it kills me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyH 0 #2 October 21, 2013 And an amazing flare to boot.Carpe Diem, even if it kills me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMark 1 #3 October 21, 2013 Duuuuuuuuude ABP big time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 598 #4 October 21, 2013 ***This may be a repost, idk. but SERIOUSLY???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Sr0XlBgOQ[/quote ............................................................................... Yes! It is a re-post, but that sort of stupidity should be flamed REPEATEDLY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 718 #5 October 21, 2013 flaring is for pussies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jf951 1 #6 October 21, 2013 this is actually a terrible example of how to handle your shit, he actually spent so much time and go so focused on the chest strap that he lost complete altitude awareness and had an AAD fire.Jump more, Bitch less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #7 October 21, 2013 My favorite part is how he's still figeting with the hest strap even after he lands. LeeLee [email protected] www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #8 October 21, 2013 QuoteMy favorite part is how he's still figeting with the hest strap even after he lands. Fairly normal psychological response to danger. Goal fixation. His brain hasn't stopped making that chest strap the most important thing in his world yet.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #9 October 21, 2013 labrysQuoteMy favorite part is how he's still figeting with the hest strap even after he lands. Fairly normal psychological response to danger. Goal fixation. His brain hasn't stopped making that chest strap the most important thing in his world yet. Yup. Far from berating the guy, I think this is a fantastic lesson for all of us. You may think you'll be cool in an emergency, but your brain does strange stuff in extremis. 1) Build a routine to check your stuff, and follow it exactly the same way every time. If there isn't time because you're rushing to make a load, have the discipline to hold off... 2) Know your shit. Learn everything you can about your gear, how it works and possible failure modes. I think the Safety and Training forum is really valuable for exactly this - there have been scenarios in there that I never thought of... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingdrinkard 0 #10 October 21, 2013 I was discussing this video with some guys at my DZ the other day. Our conclusion is that in this situation (finding a chest strap undone) I would grab on to the right side chest harness with my left hand, pitch and then as quicky as possible grab the left side harness with right hand. Essentially locking yourself in the harness. Then under canopy reaffix chest strap and get down safely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #11 October 21, 2013 Why put it on under canopy? Most canopies fly better with it off (or fully loosened). Seems it would be better to focus on the task at hand (flying the canopy). As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVCHUTERS 1 #12 October 21, 2013 I loosen my chest strap a bit under canopy but wouldn't dream of taking it off completely (not a swooper, flying a very lightly loaded docile canopy). I think if that happened to me I might be tempted to do it up once open as well. I sure as shit hope it wouldn't, though. I still make sure I get (and give) gear checks every single jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #13 October 22, 2013 flyingdrinkardI was discussing this video with some guys at my DZ the other day. Our conclusion is that in this situation (finding a chest strap undone) I would grab on to the right side chest harness with my left hand, pitch and then as quicky as possible grab the left side harness with right hand. Essentially locking yourself in the harness. Then under canopy reaffix chest strap and get down safely. That's probably what I'd do as well, but I can think of issues with this strategy too - be damn sure where you're gripping your webbing - you don't want any hold of your cutaway or reserve handle. Would I be heads up enough to remember this in the situation? I hope so, but who knows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunpaq 1 #14 October 22, 2013 We had two incidents at our DZ in 15 years where a jumper exited the aircraft without his chest strap secured and properly routed. The first case the jumper lossed and his harness and undid hi chest strap for comfort on the ride up. The other case the jumper misrouted the chest strap and upon a RW exit his chest strap came undone in the opposing jumpers hand. In both cases the jumpers executed a stable opening and were retained within their harness as they normally would. The first guy realize what happened untill he noticed that his harness main lift webs were further apart under canopy. Check, check, check, and then check again. Scary stuff.www.geronimoskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVCHUTERS 1 #15 October 22, 2013 Why on earth anyone would need to undo their chest strap and loosen their harness "for comfort on the way up" is absolutely beyond me. I'm ready to jump out every single time I get in the plane. Whether it's at 12,500, or sooner if needed, at a moment's notice. And I try to instill that in the novices/students I teach, too. *edited to change "you" to "anyone", did not mean to imply personally the previous poster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunpaq 1 #16 October 22, 2013 QuoteWhy on earth anyone would need to undo their chest strap and loosen their harness "for comfort on the way up" is absolutely beyond me. Ditto My thought as well. Each jumper at our DZ was received a warning and given mandatory remedial safety training. This is a fun and exciting sport but unforgiving for those who make a careless mistake.www.geronimoskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kalrigan 6 #17 October 22, 2013 gunpaqThe first case the jumper lossed and his harness and undid hi chest strap for comfort on the ride up. No, no, no no no no NOOO ! I don't even get on the plane unless everything is the way it's supposed to be, and I have checked 28934923842 times. Even then, on the ride up I'm still checking. I can't even picture myself or anyone, undoing their chest strap for comfort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVCHUTERS 1 #18 October 22, 2013 it certainly is. And, it's not like rigs are THAT uncomfortable. Mine's quite comfy, actually, and I'd be perfectly happy to wear it for extended periods of time if I had to, never mind a 10-20 min. plane ride. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,319 #19 October 22, 2013 QuoteThat's probably what I'd do as well, but I can think of issues with this strategy too - be damn sure where you're gripping your webbing - you don't want any hold of your cutaway or reserve handle. Would I be heads up enough to remember this in the situation? I hope so, but who knows. If your rig fits properly and it hasn't already slipped off your shoulders during freefall it would be extremely unlikely to come off your shoulders during opening, chest strap or no. Heck, throw out the PC and simply point your arms down at the ground and it'd be practically impossible for it to come off. Just think about how the harness is aligned and where the force comes from. If this guy goes so completely to pot in an "emergency" situation like this then he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror before getting back in a jump plane, 'cos there are far worse things that skydiving can throw at him.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyH 0 #20 October 22, 2013 Seriously! My holy shit wasnt at the chest strap it was at the fact that people like this are in the air. he lost all altitude awareness and let his aad fire, then he didnt flare at all. seriously. AFF much?Carpe Diem, even if it kills me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #21 October 22, 2013 JoeyHSeriously! My holy shit wasnt at the chest strap it was at the fact that people like this are in the air. he lost all altitude awareness and let his aad fire, then he didnt flare at all. seriously. AFF much? Go read the lists of AAD saves... you'll be surprised at how many are in some way related to loss of altitude awareness/failure to take action despite being physically able to do so. Surprisingly few are because of being knocked out or otherwise physically incapacitated. http://www.cypres-usa.com/CYPRES%20save%20list%20for%20download%2006.11.11[1].pdf http://www.vigil.aero/life-saving-list"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thomas.n.thomas 0 #22 October 24, 2013 Altitude awareness - it's a common term but a complex concept. I was reminded last weekend how very simple differences and things you aren't used to can really change your perspective. I am accustomed to having clouds, checking their altitude on the way up so I have some simple reference points to have in the back of my mind during the dive. Sunday was completely clear. Not a cloud in sight. I had my usual gear - analog hand alti and audible. At about 8k ft I started getting ground rush. It felt like I hadn't been in the sky very long. I hadn't heard the audible at all yet. And I start panicking, seeing ground coming faster. Things still looked pretty darn small, and I tapped my altimeter a few times and saw the needle was moving, but I was stuck in a moment of indecision. As I went through 7k, I was questioning how high I really was and at what point I'd just go straight to reserve if I did end up really low. I figured the chance of my analog and audible both failing unconservative at the same time was very small. But, staring at the ground, I thought, why wasn't I pulling already? Well, I didn't want to actually be pulling at 7k and end up with AFF/tandems falling through me. Was basically locked onto alti at this point and checking the ground, making sure things didn't look too close. All these thoughts were going through my head in about 5 seconds. Finally at 5k, I deployed the main, then heard the audible for the normal 4.5k tone. Turns out everything was working just fine and I was freaking out over nothing but a misperception. Without the sky looking the way I was used to, I was focusing, probably staring, at the ground, and noticed changes in scale a bit more than I usually do. It really distorted my normal altitude awareness. I imagine it's even easier with gear distractions. There's a reason you don't want to change too many things too quickly and keep things as consistent as possible. Your brain relies on pattern recognition for a lot of its decision-making, and when something doesn't match the expected pattern, you can get all sorts of confused Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
