California clean energy industry rocked with job losses and bankruptcy

[tkhayes 324]

8 minutes ago, CygnusX-1 said:

Not to be Mr. Obvious here but sometimes I wonder if it actually has to be said to get the point across. This (the OP narrative) isn't a D or R issue. It is a corruption issue and BOTH parties are corrupt. The loss of jobs probably has more to do with the changes in Net Metering than any outright subsidy given by the government/taxpayers.

one man's policy is another man's corruption.

[billvon 2,877]

17 minutes ago, CygnusX-1 said:

The loss of jobs probably has more to do with the changes in Net Metering than any outright subsidy given by the government/taxpayers.

Yep.  The change to NEM 3.0 effectively requires batteries to be cost effective, and that means a higher initial outlay.  Of course that means a lower uptake rate, since fewer people will be able to afford it.  Everyone except the utilities opposed it.

But that's a bit too nuanced for some posters here.  For them it's simply a way to get a slam in and 'own the libs.'

[brenthutch 428]

3 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Having a positive image of socialism doesn't make one a socialist...in stead of an MBA maybe a course in logic would have been a bit more beneficial.

You said “Democrats also believe in capitalism” I just pointed out that while that is true it is also true a even more Democrats believe in socialism.

[wmw999 2,371]

And, like everything else in life, it’s completely and perfectly binary, with absolutely no shading of any sort

Wendy P. 

[Stumpy 284]

4 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

And, like everything else in life, it’s completely and perfectly binary, with absolutely no shading of any sort

Wendy P. 

Oh no he's right - I definitely believe in socialism. It definitely exists.

[billvon 2,877]

14 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You said “Democrats also believe in capitalism” I just pointed out that while that is true it is also true a even more Democrats believe in socialism.

Heck, I even believe in math.

[brenthutch 428]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Heck, I even believe in math.

I get it guys, y’all pissed off because your world view is falling down like so many dominoes.  The rate of growth in EVs is slowing, wind projects cancelled globally, solar taking it in the shorts in California, coal usage skyrocketing, domestic oil production soaring and renewable energy unable to even meet growing global demand, let alone replacing fossil fuels. CO2 rates continue to rise yet the globe fails to deliver the much ballyhooed climate calamity. Your rage is understandable (yet humorous)

[JoeWeber 2,670]

14 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I get it guys, y’all pissed off because your world view is falling down like so many dominoes.  The rate of growth in EVs is slowing, wind projects cancelled globally, solar taking it in the shorts in California, coal usage skyrocketing, domestic oil production soaring and renewable energy unable to even meet growing global demand, let alone replacing fossil fuels. CO2 rates continue to rise yet the globe fails to deliver the much ballyhooed climate calamity. Your rage is understandable (yet humorous)

You've posted here that you cook to meet your kid's pancake needs and your wife's coffee needs. Laudable, sure, just add a little water to the bisquick and before it's fully stirred the pan is hot and the coffee is dripped. No muss, fuss, or waiting. Not like spaghetti sauce where you need to wait at least an hour before the bay leaf fully spreads it's magic and then more time while the simmering does its work transforming a very crude and bland assemblage into something absolutely delightful. But, of course, that takes patience and a strong faith in the future.

[JerryBaumchen 1,333]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You've posted here that you cook to meet your kid's pancake needs and your wife's coffee needs. Laudable, sure, just add a little water to the bisquick and before it's fully stirred the pan is hot and the coffee is dripped. No muss, fuss, or waiting. Not like spaghetti sauce where you need to wait at least an hour before the bay leaf fully spreads it's magic and then more time while the simmering does its work transforming a very crude and bland assemblage into something absolutely delightful. But, of course, that takes patience and a strong faith in the future.

Hi Joe,

You [ or T ] are working too hard.

Amazon.com : Prego Chunky Garden Combo Pasta Sauce, 23.75 Oz Jar : Grocery & Gourmet Food

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,670]

14 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

You [ or T ] are working too hard.

Amazon.com : Prego Chunky Garden Combo Pasta Sauce, 23.75 Oz Jar : Grocery & Gourmet Food

Jerry Baumchen

I'll be double damned if I'm going to suggest getting Prego to T.

[brenthutch 428]

28 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You've posted here that you cook to meet your kid's pancake needs and your wife's coffee needs. Laudable, sure, just add a little water to the bisquick and before it's fully stirred the pan is hot and the coffee is dripped. No muss, fuss, or waiting. Not like spaghetti sauce where you need to wait at least an hour before the bay leaf fully spreads it's magic and then more time while the simmering does its work transforming a very crude and bland assemblage into something absolutely delightful. But, of course, that takes patience and a strong faith in the future.

Water in Bisquick? No, whole milk, (with some added vanilla) Coffee is a locally roasted blend of Estate and Ethiopian long berry, ground right before brewing. Bolognese is either an eight hour Sunday sauce or a one hour cheat in my instant pot during the week.

[JoeWeber 2,670]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Water in Bisquick? No, whole milk, (with some added vanilla) Coffee is a locally roasted blend of Estate and Ethiopian long berry, ground right before brewing. Bolognese is either an eight hour Sunday sauce or a one hour cheat in my instant pot during the week.

Then I defer to a master.

[brenthutch 428]

23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Then I defer to a master.

No, just a rookie foodie who watches a bunch of videos and has an embarrassing amount of culinary toys 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by brenthutch

[tkhayes 324]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I get it guys, y’all pissed off because your world view is falling down like so many dominoes.  The rate of growth in EVs is slowing, wind projects cancelled globally, solar taking it in the shorts in California, coal usage skyrocketing, domestic oil production soaring and renewable energy unable to even meet growing global demand, let alone replacing fossil fuels. CO2 rates continue to rise yet the globe fails to deliver the much ballyhooed climate calamity. Your rage is understandable (yet humorous)

I get it Brent, y’all pissed off because your world view is falling down like so many dominoes.  The rate of growth in EVs is continuing, wind projects are growing across the country, solar surging in Florida and other southern states (I live in Florida), you only have a tidbit of data from a single thing in CA to rely on, coal usage is barely at record levels, (but so is the world population), domestic oil production soaring and renewable energy still building steadily every.... single.... day...., and all you have is rhetorical comments like 'it was supposed to replace fossil fuels by now". CO2 rates continue to rise and the globe sees record climate and weather catastrophes almost daily and most certainly more regularly with annual records for weather events being broken continuously. Your ignorance is understandable (yet humorous)

 

U.S. wind power generation 2022 | Statista

Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50% - Cox Automotive Inc. (coxautoinc.com)

U.S. solar power generation 2022 | Statista

U.S. coal consumption 2022 | Statista

Extreme Weather Events Have Increased Significantly in the Last 20 Years - Yale E360

Edited December 22, 2023 by tkhayes
added actual references for those that can actually read.

[billvon 2,877]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

I get it guys, y’all pissed off because your world view is falling down like so many dominoes.  

Ah, one of those projection things again!

EV sales are rising 50% a year.  It might ONLY grow 40% this year.  Solar is, again, the #1 new energy source added to the grid.  Kentucky of all places is now going solar in a big way.  Coal use in the US is declining 25% a year.  

Meanwhile, Trump just got booted off the ballot in Colorado.  His cronies are getting jailed and sued into bankruptcy.  Voters are rejecting misogynist abortion laws everywhere they are voted on.  It's gotten so bad that republicans have abandoned the push to convince voters, and are now trying to cancel elections on the issue.  Republican candidates are trying to avoid talking about Trump at all costs.

I can see why you're lashing out.  Thoughts and prayers.

[brenthutch 428]

7 minutes ago, billvon said:

Ah, one of those projection things again!

EV sales are rising 50% a year.  It might ONLY grow 40% this year.  Solar is, again, the #1 new energy source added to the grid.  Kentucky of all places is now going solar in a big way.  Coal use in the US is declining 25% a year.  

 

Nothing you have said refutes anything I have said. Growth of EV demand is dropping, growth in wind generation is collapsing, and global coal use and domestic oil and gas production is increasing and renewables can’t keep pace with demand.

[tkhayes 324]

10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Nothing you have said refutes anything I have said. Growth of EV demand is dropping, growth in wind generation is collapsing, and global coal use and domestic oil and gas production is increasing and renewables can’t keep pace with demand.

and everything you said is meaningless... solves no issue, constructs no narrative, adds to no policy, or even creates any new agenda.  It would appear to be, like most of your rhetoric, some vain and weak attempt to 'own the libs'.

congrats...... on accomplishing nothing.

[wmw999 2,371]

2 hours ago, tkhayes said:

and everything you said is meaningless... solves no issue, constructs no narrative, adds to no policy, or even creates any new agenda.  It would appear to be, like most of your rhetoric, some vain and weak attempt to 'own the libs'.

congrats...... on accomplishing nothing.

Some people don’t seem to understand that stepping on others doesn’t actually make them taller, any more than sinking someone else’s boat makes one’s own float better.

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,877]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Some people don’t seem to understand that stepping on others doesn’t actually make them taller, any more than sinking someone else’s boat makes one’s own float better.

Well, you know the well known proverb - a rising tide sinks the boats of people I've been told to hate.  Or something like that.

[gowlerk 2,155]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Some people don’t seem to understand that stepping on others doesn’t actually make them taller, any more than sinking someone else’s boat makes one’s own float better.

Wendy P. 

 

37 minutes ago, billvon said:

Well, you know the well known proverb - a rising tide sinks the boats of people I've been told to hate.  Or something like that.

For mods the two of you seem to be spending a lot of time and effort joining in with the rest of us talking about this other poster.

[winsor 234]

13 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

 

For mods the two of you seem to be spending a lot of time and effort joining in with the rest of us talking about this other poster.

You picked up on that as well?

[billvon 2,877]

6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

For mods the two of you seem to be spending a lot of time and effort joining in with the rest of us talking about this other poster.

Would be a pretty boring job if we just stood by the sidelines and never participated or responded.

But hey, at least the pay is good.

[gowlerk 2,155]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Would be a pretty boring job if we just stood by the sidelines and never participated or responded.

But hey, at least the pay is good.

I agree. Just pointing out that all of us as a group, including the mods seem to be moving away from the "play the post, not the poster" principle a little more than usual lately. It's almost as if the goading is effective. Goading is what trolling is all about.