jakee 1,445 #1 Posted November 16, 2023 The most bizarre thing I can ever remember in politics has just happened in the UK. For the last few years the Government has been trying to implement a policy of deporting asylum seekers in the UK to Rwanda, where their asylum claims will be judged by the Rwandan government and if successful, they are permanently settled in Rwanda. This has raced any number of legal challenges for various reasons, and delayed indefinitely at huge cost. It just been finally struck down by the Supreme Court because after extensive investigations they found as a matter of fact that Rwanda was not a safe country for refugees. There are numerous instances of refugees being discriminated against by the government in Rwanda (including being killed in detention by police) and of legitimate asylum claimants being deported back to countries where they are then detained, tortured or killed. This matter of fact and reality makes the policy illegal under UK law, retained European law and international law. The government’s response to this comprehensive loss is (and I still can’t quite believe this is what they actually said - but it is) pledging to rush through legislation to declare that Rwanda is a safe country after all. Again, the courts struck down the policy because reality makes it illegal, so the government will pass a new law that says reality is not what it actually is. How is it even possible for someone whose job it is to do politics to have so little understanding of how it works? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67432853 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #2 November 16, 2023 I'm with you. Of all the moronic, self serving, mind bogglingly stupid things the current government has done and is doing, this is right up there - its at least in the top 25 or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 66 #3 November 17, 2023 Because InfoSys, Sunak's father-in-law's company, has a registered office in Kigali and would have been given the contract for processing the deportees on behalf of the British and Rwandan governments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 416 #4 November 17, 2023 11 hours ago, jakee said: The most bizarre thing I can ever remember in politics has just happened in the UK. For the last few years the Government has been trying to implement a policy of deporting asylum seekers in the UK to Rwanda, where their asylum claims will be judged by the Rwandan government and if successful, they are permanently settled in Rwanda. This has raced any number of legal challenges for various reasons, and delayed indefinitely at huge cost. It just been finally struck down by the Supreme Court because after extensive investigations they found as a matter of fact that Rwanda was not a safe country for refugees. There are numerous instances of refugees being discriminated against by the government in Rwanda (including being killed in detention by police) and of legitimate asylum claimants being deported back to countries where they are then detained, tortured or killed. This matter of fact and reality makes the policy illegal under UK law, retained European law and international law. The government’s response to this comprehensive loss is (and I still can’t quite believe this is what they actually said - but it is) pledging to rush through legislation to declare that Rwanda is a safe country after all. Again, the courts struck down the policy because reality makes it illegal, so the government will pass a new law that says reality is not what it actually is. How is it even possible for someone whose job it is to do politics to have so little understanding of how it works? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67432853 Incredible and very sad. I've not looked at a map recently, but if you managed to get to the UK from Rwanda by boat you deserve to stay. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,384 #5 November 17, 2023 Especially since it's landlocked Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,935 #6 November 17, 2023 12 hours ago, wmw999 said: Especially since it's landlocked Wendy P. DUKW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #7 November 17, 2023 17 hours ago, nigel99 said: Incredible and very sad. I've not looked at a map recently, but if you managed to get to the UK from Rwanda by boat you deserve to stay. Well yeah, I guess... but I'm pretty sure none of the people we're trying to send to Rwanda are from Rwanda. Anyway it's just got even... better? The former Home Secretary (who was the main cheerleader for and in charge of implementing the Rwanda policy until she was sacked last week for, and I'm paraphrasing, being such a massive racist it was impossible to ignore anymore) has said that instead using a new law to declare an alternate reality to the courts, we should just write a law which says this law is immune to challenge in the courts! Because apparently constitutional oversight is just an optional thing whenever you don't like the results. God I wish I was allowed to get away with knowing that little about how my own job works. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-rwanda-rishi-sunak-b2449019.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,340 #8 November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, jakee said: Well yeah, I guess... but I'm pretty sure none of the people we're trying to send to Rwanda are from Rwanda. Anyway it's just got even... better? The former Home Secretary (who was the main cheerleader for and in charge of implementing the Rwanda policy until she was sacked last week for, and I'm paraphrasing, being such a massive racist it was impossible to ignore anymore) has said that instead using a new law to declare an alternate reality to the courts, we should just write a law which says this law is immune to challenge in the courts! Because apparently constitutional oversight is just an optional thing whenever you don't like the results. God I wish I was allowed to get away with knowing that little about how my own job works. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-rwanda-rishi-sunak-b2449019.html Hi Jakee, Well, Ronald Reagan just re-defined things. Taxes => Fees 'Hey, I said I was going to lower your taxes.' Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,917 #9 November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, jakee said: we should just write a law which says this law is immune to challenge in the courts! Because apparently constitutional oversight is just an optional thing whenever you don't like the results. Brilliant! If only Trump had known this while he was president, he'd still BE president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 305 #10 November 20, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 2:55 PM, billvon said: Brilliant! If only Trump had known this while he was president, he'd still BE president. He just tried to go about it a different way. His acolytes are trying similar techniques. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
