Modi PM of India Assassinating Canadians

[Phil1111 1,050]

It appears as though Modi the president of India has ordered the assignation of a Canadian citizen in B.C. Modi who has refused to participate in sanctions against Putin for his war. Has targeted minorities, Muslims and Christians ever since his government took power.

"Some members of the B.C. Sikh community say the Canadian government's allegation that the government of India may have been involved in the killing of a Sikh leader is momentous. Thousands of Sikh Canadians attended his funeral.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar, the president of the Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara, was gunned down outside the Sikh temple on June 18, shortly after evening prayers had concluded.

Many of Nijjar's supporters had alleged that the Indian government was behind the assassination, especially as he was a prominent supporter of the movement for an independent Sikh state called Khalistan."

Trudeau has expelled an Indian diplomat.

 

[SkyDekker 1,271]

Should note there are some questions around how Nijjar got his citizenship status

In 1997, Nijjar came to Canada, claiming he had been beaten and tortured by Indian police. In 1998, his refugee claim was denied. According to his immigration records, he used a fraudulent passport that identified him as “Ravi Sharma.”

His application was rejected, and 11 days later Nijjar married a B.C. woman who sponsored him to immigrate as her spouse.

On his application form, he was asked whether he was associated with a group that used or advocated “armed struggle or violence to reach political, religious or social objectives.” He said “no,” but immigration officials considered it a marriage of convenience and rejected Nijjar’s application. Nijjar appealed to the courts and lost in 2001, but he later identified himself as a Canadian citizen.

On Tuesday, immigration minister Marc Miller confirmed that Nijjar became a Canadian citizen on March 3, 2015.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9969537/who-is-hardeep-singh-nijjar/

 

It should go without saying that other countries should not be assassinating people in Canada. But, as usual whatever Trudeau announces or touches has hair on it, raising many more questions.

 

[GeorgiaDon 350]

Canada has suffered a lot thanks to the conflict between Sikh nationalists, some of whom have been outright terrorists, and the Indian government.  A friend of mine lost family on Air India flight 182, which was blown up at 31,000 feet over the North Atlantic by Sikh terrorists based in Canada.  329 people died, including 268 Canadians.  I wish people would leave their violent conflicts behind and not import them to a country that was so generous as to accept them as immigrants.

[riggerrob 598]

1 hour ago, GeorgiaDon said:

....  I wish people would leave their violent conflicts behind and not import them to a country that was so generous as to accept them as immigrants.

 

[JoeWeber 2,520]

8 hours ago, GeorgiaDon said:

Canada has suffered a lot thanks to the conflict between Sikh nationalists, some of whom have been outright terrorists, and the Indian government.  A friend of mine lost family on Air India flight 182, which was blown up at 31,000 feet over the North Atlantic by Sikh terrorists based in Canada.  329 people died, including 268 Canadians.  I wish people would leave their violent conflicts behind and not import them to a country that was so generous as to accept them as immigrants.

Wish in one hand and crap in the other and guess which will fill up first. Profiling and excluding some folks isn't the most awful thing we can do in this day and age, methinks. Yes some innocents will suffer by being excluded, but maybe other innocents won't. We live in a crappy time that requires crappy choices.

[riggerrob 598]

This latest protest lays bare the differences between how Canada handles internal terrorists versus the way other major nations handle terrorists.

Trudeau's weak diplomatic protests are more designed to suck-up to Sikhs who vote in Canadian elections, than any long-term international diplomatic process. Why any Canadian politician is making public statements about an internal Indian political debate is a mystery to me. Traditionally, polite politicians avoid saying anything about the internal affairs of any other country.

China, Israel (Gerald Bull), North Korea, Russia (Prighozin), the USA (Osama bin Laden), etc. all routinely assassinate people who threaten their national security. Some of these assassinations are committed outside their borders.

Canada is an outlier in this pattern because Canada assigns short prison sentences and soon paroles violent political criminals.

For example, during the 1960s, the violent wing of the Front de Liberation du Quebec planted 200 bombs, stole firearms, etc. Alfred Pinisch was a friend of my father and I met him many times before he died in a botched FLQ raid on International Firearms in Montreal.

The FLQ then upped their game by kidnapping two gov't officials and murdered one of them in October 1970. Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau (father of our current Prime Minister) invoked the War Measures Act and ordered the Canadian Army to patrol the streets of Quebec. I still remember Canadian soldiers lurking in an alley behind a federal building in Sherbrooke, Quebec. Eventually, the guilty bastards (mostly native-born Quebecois FLQ) were allowed to fly into exile in Cuba. These days, sun-burning in Cuba is considered a pleasant vacation for many Quebecois who weary of being up to @$$ in snow for many months out of the year.

By 1982, the Canadian gov't had pardoned all the FLQ terrorists and one eventually sat in the Quebec Provincial Legislature.

 

So, this means that Ottawa is upset that India did not treat Indian-born terrorists - who threaten Indian integrity - with the same gentle hand that Canada treats our own domestic terrorists.

Abandoning political struggles in their homeland should be required of anyone who immigrates to Canada.

[Phil1111 1,050]

From a NYT story: "American spy agencies provided information to Ottawa after the killing of a Sikh separatist leader in the Vancouver area, but Canada developed the most definitive intelligence that led it to accuse India of orchestrating the plot, according to Western allied officials.

In the aftermath of the killing, U.S. intelligence agencies offered their Canadian counterparts context that helped Canada conclude that India had been involved. Yet what appears to be the “smoking gun,” intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials, allied officials said."

American spies, in Indian bathrooms, Russian naval bars, they are everywhere.

[SkyDekker 1,271]

On 9/23/2023 at 4:17 PM, Phil1111 said:

From a NYT story: "American spy agencies provided information to Ottawa after the killing of a Sikh separatist leader in the Vancouver area, but Canada developed the most definitive intelligence that led it to accuse India of orchestrating the plot, according to Western allied officials.

In the aftermath of the killing, U.S. intelligence agencies offered their Canadian counterparts context that helped Canada conclude that India had been involved. Yet what appears to be the “smoking gun,” intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials, allied officials said."

American spies, in Indian bathrooms, Russian naval bars, they are everywhere.

Does that same story ask how the Sikh separatist leader got Canadian Citizenship after being denied multiple times for lying, travelling on a fable passport and participating in a sham marriage? Does it ask how he was able to continue to travel in and out of Canada before getting his citizenship?

[Phil1111 1,050]

10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Does that same story ask how the Sikh separatist leader got Canadian Citizenship after being denied multiple times for lying, travelling on a fable passport and participating in a sham marriage? Does it ask how he was able to continue to travel in and out of Canada before getting his citizenship?

No but presumably whoever was in charge or working on his reapplication at immigration Canada knew all that. Eventually he did get citizenship.

Several stories have reported that for Sikhs in India separating from India is a non-issue. Nobody in India seems to be actively promoting it. Supposedly only Canadian ones.

But if thats the case why did India decide to send a couple agents to cancel his activities? If what he was doing was a worthless cause why bother?

There seems to be some phone intercepts via Americans at the Indian consulate in Canada. The RCMP warned him that someone was actively trying to kill him shortly before he was killed.

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by Phil1111

[gowlerk 2,071]

2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Supposedly only Canadian ones.

I've been reading that it is also quite active in Great Britain. 

[SkyDekker 1,271]

2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

No but presumably whoever was in charge or working on his reapplication at immigration Canada knew all that. Eventually he did get citizenship.

That is a big presumption. I would presume that our minister of immigration could be relied upon to provide the correct date Nijjar got his citizenship. But that presumption turned out to be wrong.

4 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Several stories have reported that for Sikhs in India separating from India is a non-issue. Nobody in India seems to be actively promoting it. Supposedly only Canadian ones.

But if thats the case why did India decide to send a couple agents to cancel his activities? If what he was doing was a worthless cause why bother?

Good question. Maybe that wasn't quite the reason.

[Phil1111 1,050]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

That is a big presumption. I would presume that our minister of immigration could be relied upon to provide the correct date Nijjar got his citizenship. But that presumption turned out to be wrong.

Good question. Maybe that wasn't quite the reason.

News media just doesn't have the whole story. The same day I posted this thread the NYT has a story basically saying that Nijjar was an angel loved by all. I can't be bothered to find it but the NYT usually has well sourced stories. Obviously he had some fanboys as a religious/political leader.

With 950k new immigrants last year alone the rubber (admitted) stamp may be overused.

[gowlerk 2,071]

8 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

News media just doesn't have the whole story.

India seems to have considered him a "terrorist". I have seen no evidence of anything to justify that.

[Phil1111 1,050]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

India seems to have considered him a "terrorist". I have seen no evidence of anything to justify that.

No but Canada has let Nazi's in and even invited them to the parliament!

[Phil1111 1,050]

This is a story on it from an Indian "news" perspective. Six Men In Two Cars Involved In Killing Terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar In Canada, Police Arrived Late And Botched Probe: Report "Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a designated terrorist who headed the Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF), also a designated terrorist organisation. India has rubbished Trudeau's claim and has termed Canada a 'safe haven' for terrorism directed at India. ...There were at least six men and two vehicles involved in a "coordinated" attack on Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, according to The Washington Post. 

Attackers came in one vehicle and escaped from the area in another vehicle, ...The local Sikh leaders told The Post that 40-50 bullets were fired at Nijjar. The report says 34 hit the terrorist who died on the scene. "

Needless to say the killing was organized and designed to ensure nobody was going to put him back together in a hospital.

 

[SkyDekker 1,271]

15 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

News media just doesn't have the whole story. The same day I posted this thread the NYT has a story basically saying that Nijjar was an angel loved by all. I can't be bothered to find it but the NYT usually has well sourced stories. Obviously he had some fanboys as a religious/political leader.

With 950k new immigrants last year alone the rubber (admitted) stamp may be overused.

He was denied when he entered Canada when it was determined he was travelling on a false passport and he had lied on his application.

He married a Canadian woman 11 days later. He applied again after that, when he was denied because he was found to have lied again and his marriage was determined to be a sham marriage.

Then a few years later all of a sudden he is approved, quietly. Somehow he also had the ability travel in and out of the country during that period....

[GeorgiaDon 350]

There's a lot that stinks about this fiasco.  No question it's totally inappropriate for India to be carrying out assassinations on Canadian soil, if that is what happened, as seems likely.  Nevertheless, it seems more than a little naive to publicly accuse India before the investigation is even complete.  Even more so to do it while in the middle of negotiating a free trade agreement with India, which was critical to maintaining ties to Asia after the shitstorm with China.  Canada seems to have a "high horse" problem, lecturing other countries about their moral shortcomings, as if they would suddenly change their behavior.  Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, now India; are there other countries where Canada is now persona non grata?  What has that accomplished, other than to isolate Canada?  I know there are some situations where Canada didn't have a lot of choice, such as Iran, but even there I would think some diplomacy could have helped, at least after the fact.  Regarding China, I think Canada got the short stick for carrying water for the US.

I also wonder how it is that some of these people are able to get Canadian citizenship.  One would think that after being caught with multiple fraudulent applications, someone would be shown the door.

[gowlerk 2,071]

6 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said:

Canada seems to have a "high horse" problem, lecturing other countries about their moral shortcomings, as if they would suddenly change their behavior. 

Canada has a large and fast growing immigrant population from most of the countries you have named. The coalition group called the "Liberal Party of Canada" that currently and most often holds power needs these groups and those groups are an active part of that coalition. If the Prime Minister did not call out India on this he would have been accused of covering it up. In the same way that he has faced a massive amount of criticism for inaction regarding Chinese attempts to leverage expats to influence elections. Both Modi and Trudeau are bound by domestic political considerations.

[GeorgiaDon 350]

I moderate a different forum (science based) that has buttons for "informative", "I agree", "thank you", and "amusing".  Here, in Facebook fashion, we only have "like".  My "like" to your post was meant as "informative" and  "thank you".

[billvon 2,683]

41 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said:

I moderate a different forum (science based) that has buttons for "informative", "I agree", "thank you", and "amusing".  Here, in Facebook fashion, we only have "like".  My "like" to your post was meant as "informative" and  "thank you".

Doesn't Facebook have like six options for reactions?

 

[SkyDekker 1,271]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Canada has a large and fast growing immigrant population from most of the countries you have named. The coalition group called the "Liberal Party of Canada" that currently and most often holds power needs these groups and those groups are an active part of that coalition. If the Prime Minister did not call out India on this he would have been accused of covering it up. In the same way that he has faced a massive amount of criticism for inaction regarding Chinese attempts to leverage expats to influence elections. Both Modi and Trudeau are bound by domestic political considerations.

One only has to look at the disgraceful handling of the Air India bombing to underscore the above.

[GeorgiaDon 350]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Doesn't Facebook have like six options for reactions?

 

I think they are all emotions, such as like, love, sad, etc.  Not "informative", I agree", thank you", and so on.  I may be wrong though, I try to stay away from Facebook as much as I can.

[billvon 2,683]

32 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said:

I think they are all emotions, such as like, love, sad, etc.  Not "informative", I agree", thank you", and so on.  I may be wrong though, I try to stay away from Facebook as much as I can.

Gotcha.

[gowlerk 2,071]

It now appears that India also is prepared to carry out assassinations in the USA.

https://apnews.com/article/sikh-india-white-house-fbi-3d54bc18c29f96ad50215a408440fbc5

[gowlerk 2,071]

Today three arrests were made. All three Indian citizens and all in Canada. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/americas/canada-sikh-nijjar-assassination-suspects-intl-latam/index.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nijjar-killing-arrests-made-1.7192807

The speculation seems to be that elements of the Indian government used hired gangsters already in Canada to carry out the assassination.

Edited May 3 by gowlerk