What is woke

[gowlerk 1,903]

4 minutes ago, beowulf said:

The Structure of Cults as it pertains to woke.

Woke doesn't have a structure or a leader. It is not even a little bit cult like. It does seem to have inspired a counter culture which seems to have a distaste for and a fear of it.

Edited May 8, 2023 by gowlerk

[beowulf 1]

4 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Woke doesn't have a structure or a leader. It is not even a little bit cult like. It does seem to have inspired a counter culture which seems to have a distaste for and a fear of it.

It's not one single structure just like Christianity isn't one single structure. And neither have one single leader, instead multiple leaders. Rose City Antifa https://rosecityantifa.org/ is a woke cult. There are many of these woke cults here in the US. Some use the Antifa name, some don't.

 

 

[gowlerk 1,903]

12 minutes ago, beowulf said:

It's not one single structure just like Christianity isn't one single structure. And neither have one single leader, instead multiple leaders. Rose City Antifa https://rosecityantifa.org/ is a woke cult. There are many of these woke cults here in the US. Some use the Antifa name, some don't.

 

 

So that's what the word means to you? What if I told you that I like millions of others have no problem identifying as "woke" and yet almost none of us belong to any such organization at all? You are creating boogeymen.

[beowulf 1]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

So that's what the word means to you? What if I told you that I like millions of others have no problem identifying as "woke" and yet almost none of us belong to any such organization at all? You are creating boogeymen.

I thought you said woke doesn't mean anything? Lots of people call themselves Christians and don't belong to any church. I didn't create anything. Just pointing out the woke cults and cultist behavior. If you have the wrong opinion according to general Woke people on what ever social media platform you want to, they will attack you to try enforce their group think. That is cultist behavior. It doesn't necessarily mean you specifically are a card carrying member of Rose City Antifa or any organized wokist cult. 

 

[beowulf 1]

11 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

So that's what the word means to you? What if I told you that I like millions of others have no problem identifying as "woke" and yet almost none of us belong to any such organization at all? You are creating boogeymen.

Now it makes sense as to why you are so defensive on this topic.

[normiss 620]

1 hour ago, beowulf said:

I don't know anything about you. Other than apparently you are female based on your picture. I had no idea you were liberal. I apparently miss read your response. This online communication is really poor. Much of the unsaid part of communication is missing. I apologize for misreading your response.

"misread" - This online communication is really poor. Much of the unsaid part of communication is missing. 

Indeed.

[normiss 620]

26 minutes ago, beowulf said:

I thought you said woke doesn't mean anything? Lots of people call themselves Christians and don't belong to any church. I didn't create anything. Just pointing out the woke cults and cultist behavior. If you have the wrong opinion according to general Woke people on what ever social media platform you want to, they will attack you to try enforce their group think. That is cultist behavior. It doesn't necessarily mean you specifically are a card carrying member of Rose City Antifa or any organized wokist cult. 

 

You seem to insistently refuse to accept the meaning of woke.

[beowulf 1]

13 minutes ago, normiss said:

You seem to insistently refuse to accept the meaning of woke.

Yeah, you are very perceptive. I didn't agree with the previously submitted definitions and submitted one that I thought best fit the word Woke.

 

 

 

[billvon 2,380]

3 hours ago, beowulf said:

Part of the reason that Woke is hard for people to define is that what the Woke consider appropriate or part of their doctrine changes pretty quickly. 

Nope.  I consider myself partly woke; I don't understand all of the societal injustices people have expereinced, but I am learning more about them.  None of that is doctrine.  None of that is belief.  It is simply knowledge.

If you are 0% woke I almost envy you.  It must be very comfortable to go through life thinking there is no injustice, and there's nothing in our society that needs fixing.  Throughout my life, though, I have preferred truth to ignorance, even if the truth is painful.

[beowulf 1]

Just now, billvon said:

Nope.  I consider myself partly woke; I don't understand all of the societal injustices people have expereinced, but I am learning more about them.  None of that is doctrine.  None of that is belief.  It is simply knowledge.

If you are 0% woke I almost envy you.  It must be very comfortable to go through life thinking there is no injustice, and there's nothing in our society that needs fixing.  Throughout my life, though, I have preferred truth to ignorance, even if the truth is painful.

Personally I don't buy into your simplistic view of the word Woke. You seem to simply assume anyone that doesn't agree with you believes there is no injustice in the world. It is possible to disagree with you and and believe there is injustice. Your words read more like an Evangelical Christian. I haven't been on this forum in a very long time so it really surprises me to see you writing stuff like that. Pope Billvon the great!

 

[beowulf 1]

13 minutes ago, billvon said:

Nope.  I consider myself partly woke; I don't understand all of the societal injustices people have expereinced, but I am learning more about them.  None of that is doctrine.  None of that is belief.  It is simply knowledge.

If you are 0% woke I almost envy you.  It must be very comfortable to go through life thinking there is no injustice, and there's nothing in our society that needs fixing.  Throughout my life, though, I have preferred truth to ignorance, even if the truth is painful.

Is your favorite book White Fragility? https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414

If not then maybe you aren't the woke pope.

Anyway, I am not a fan of the term Woke, because it brings with it a lot of baggage like Critical Race Theory that I think is just bullshit. I don't agree with viewing everything in terms of power structures. 

I read your other post on Anti Woke.

You mentioned Martin Luther King, if he were to give his I have a Dream speech today the Woke mob would attack him. It doesn't fit their view of being anti racist or woke. Being color blind is not what people like Robin DiAngelo are arguing for.

 

 

 

[billvon 2,380]

37 minutes ago, beowulf said:

Is your favorite book White Fragility? https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414

Never read it.  Is your favorite document the White Declaration of Independence?

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If not then maybe you aren't the woke pope.

Nope, not the woke pope.  Like I said, working on it.

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Anyway, I am not a fan of the term Woke, because it brings with it a lot of baggage like Critical Race Theory that I think is just bullshit. I don't agree with viewing everything in terms of power structures.

I agree.  Which is why woke is defined as "being alert to injustice in society" and not "defining everything in terms of power structures."

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You mentioned Martin Luther King, if he were to give his I have a Dream speech today the Woke mob would attack him.

Then you have never read his speech.  Let me give you some examples:

But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. 

The conservative reply to that would be "why are black people such professional victims?  Why not check your resentment, instead of telling me I am a racist?"

We've come to our nation's capital to cash a check.

No need to describe what conservatives would say about THOSE sort of reparations.

If he gave that speech today, conservatives would say that he is telling white people to hate themselves, and shoving his sick socialist agenda down American's throats.  Then they would cancel him, the same way they did Colin Kaepernick.  Which, admittedly, is better than the way he was cancelled by conservatives back then.  Things are getting better, but they have ways to go.

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Personally I don't buy into your simplistic view of the word Woke.

It's not mine.  It's the dictionary's.  Look it up yourself.

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You seem to simply assume anyone that doesn't agree with you believes there is no injustice in the world.

If you are not aware of any injustice in the world, you are not woke.  By definition.

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It is possible to disagree with you and and believe there is injustice.

Absolutely!  But if you are alert to that injustice, it means you are woke.  Again, by definition.

 

[jakee 1,254]

6 hours ago, beowulf said:

I see I must have hurt your feelings. I get it you don't like the definition I submitted. "why not let different groups have different shades of meaning"  Nothing I said stops anyone form having a different opinion. It's funny how people get upset when faced with a dissenting opinion.

You posted something that deliberately aims to insult anyone who considers themselves woke to any degree. You don’t get to say ‘gotcha’ if you think someone is upset by it because you’re not an elementary school child.

[jakee 1,254]

6 hours ago, beowulf said:

Obviously I don't agree with that.

Woke has it's roots in Marxism > Critical Theory > Critical Race Theory > Gender Theory. And appears to be mostly driven by Online Social Media.

Just my observation.

No, that’s not your observation, it’s something you’ve been spoonfed by the right wing media.

[lippy 765]

5 hours ago, beowulf said:

Personally I don't buy into your simplistic view of the word Woke.

 

As others have pointed out: you come on here saying woke is impossible to define and fairly cultish.  When people tell you that they are woke, not in a cult and spell out their definition you ignore it and regurgitate BS from organizations that make their money by scaring folks like you about the woke monsters coming to indoctrinate your children!!! It's a pretty odd thing to witness, really.

I think we used to jump together at SDD back in the day.  Are you Robert V?

[jakee 1,254]

5 hours ago, beowulf said:

Personally I don't buy into your simplistic view of the word Woke. 

Dude - you came in here quoting a random YouTuber saying that woke is a leftist ideology ‘created by algorithms’ and you’re complaining that other people are being too simplistic? C’mon.

[gowlerk 1,903]

8 hours ago, beowulf said:

Now it makes sense as to why you are so defensive on this topic.

Okay then. I accept that you have a different definition of the word from myself and most others. Just as I define conservative as fearful of change, and many other see a different meaning.

Edited May 8, 2023 by gowlerk

[beowulf 1]

3 hours ago, lippy said:

As others have pointed out: you come on here saying woke is impossible to define and fairly cultish.  When people tell you that they are woke, not in a cult and spell out their definition you ignore it and regurgitate BS from organizations that make their money by scaring folks like you about the woke monsters coming to indoctrinate your children!!! It's a pretty odd thing to witness, really.

I think we used to jump together at SDD back in the day.  Are you Robert V?

Yeah, that's me.

I haven't been on this forum in a long time. It's funny how people can read different things into the same words. I don't recall saying it was impossible to define. Especially since I submitted a definition. What I did say is what the Woke consider acceptable is constantly changing. I think that is due to online social media.

Are you Canadian Roger?

 

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

10 hours ago, beowulf said:

Obviously I don't agree with that.

Woke has it's roots in Marxism > Critical Theory > Critical Race Theory > Gender Theory. And appears to be mostly driven by Online Social Media.

Just my observation.

 

And with that post, you clearly define who and what you are.

[beowulf 1]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

Never read it.  Is your favorite document the White Declaration of Independence?

Nope, not the woke pope.  Like I said, working on it.

I agree.  Which is why woke is defined as "being alert to injustice in society" and not "defining everything in terms of power structures."

Then you have never read his speech.  Let me give you some examples:

But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. 

The conservative reply to that would be "why are black people such professional victims?  Why not check your resentment, instead of telling me I am a racist?"

We've come to our nation's capital to cash a check.

No need to describe what conservatives would say about THOSE sort of reparations.

If he gave that speech today, conservatives would say that he is telling white people to hate themselves, and shoving his sick socialist agenda down American's throats.  Then they would cancel him, the same way they did Colin Kaepernick.  Which, admittedly, is better than the way he was cancelled by conservatives back then.  Things are getting better, but they have ways to go.

It's not mine.  It's the dictionary's.  Look it up yourself.

If you are not aware of any injustice in the world, you are not woke.  By definition.

Absolutely!  But if you are alert to that injustice, it means you are woke.  Again, by definition.

 

The part that the hard core woke line Robin DiAngelo would disagree with MLK is on judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

This question, "Is your favorite document the White Declaration of Independence?" makes me think you are pretty well indoctrinated into the cult. Living in an echo chamber. Quite interesting. I am sure you will object to that as much as possible. People in a cult are notoriously hard to convince of that.

[beowulf 1]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And with that post, you clearly define who and what you are.

Good for you! You figured out some thing, I guess?

[Phil1111 908]

3 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And with that post, you clearly define who and what you are.

 

1 minute ago, beowulf said:

Good for you! You figured out some thing, I guess?

Nah just restating the obvious.Wacked out right wing ideas are not new. Just the new fanboys who adopt them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

1 minute ago, beowulf said:

Good for you! You figured out some thing, I guess?

Please define "Critical Race Theory".

Since you 'think it's bullshit', then you know what it is, right?

Or do you just think things are bullshit because you don't really know what they are and don't like what other people tell you to think about them?

[jakee 1,254]

19 minutes ago, beowulf said:

The part that the hard core woke line Robin DiAngelo would disagree with MLK is on judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Oh really? When does she disagree with this? 

[beowulf 1]

13 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Please define "Critical Race Theory".

Since you 'think it's bullshit', then you know what it is, right?

Or do you just think things are bullshit because you don't really know what they are and don't like what other people tell you to think about them?

I read enough to know it's bullshit. I don't have a doctoral degree in CRT. The logic is at times circular.

Critical race theory (CRT) is a scholarly and political approach to examining race that leads to a consequential analysis and profound understanding of racism. It argues, as a starting point, that the axis of American social life is fundamentally constructed in race. As a result, the economic, political, and historical relationships and arrangements that social actors have to institutions and social processes are all race based.

 

I bolded the part that is pure bullshit and it's racist to view everything in terms of race.