Belief in man made climate change declining

[brenthutch 356]

17 minutes ago, normiss said:

I get a newsletter from a family coffee farm in Guatemala, Godoys Coffee (NOOOOMMMMMMS)

 If it's TLDR, the weather is changing, coffee farms are struggling, coffee will get more expensive, farms will relocate as required.

Climate change is real. Man can and should do all we can to maintain our environment.

Ignorance and hatred will most likely do us in before the planet forces us to find another one.

I'd LOVE to be here when Earth crashes into the moon and sun though. 

 

Rainy season, climate change and coffee

Central America has two seasons: wet and dry. Coffee depends greatly on rainy season as it is not generally a crop that is irrigated. Coffee blooms ten days after a rain and the growth of the cherries is done during the rainy season. We are awaiting our third blossoming this coming week.

This is the coffee flower which blooms for a mere 24 hours. Because of the changes in the climate of Central America, coffee has been flowering more often than before. For example, at our farm, it rained in February and again in April, both creating premature  blooms. When the coffee flowers and no rain follows some of the fruit is aborted, creating overall losses. In the past, it was common to get only one large flowering and a harvest that lasted three weeks.

 

This recent upset in rainfall has caused the harvest to be extended as the fruit no longer ripens at the same time. It makes the coffee harvest more expensive for the farmer as he needs to have workers picking fewer beans over a longer period of time. Last year we had to go though the farm four times to pick the ripe coffee and likely it will be the same this year. Coffee is becoming more expensive to grow and places that used to produce coffee are becoming too warm for the crop.

Regardless, at Godoy’s we continue to work hard to make sure you get your wonderful morning brew, no matter the weather or despite changes to the climate.

 

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263311/worldwide-production-of-coffee/#:~:text=Global coffee production reached 175.35,by South America%2C specifically Brazil.&text=In 2018%2C Brazil produced 61.7,60-kilogram bags of coffee.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, coffee production reaches record levels.
 

[normiss 422]

Climate change impact on coffee production - so it's not from one of the many farms facing new challenges.

Like everything else ignorance forcibly refuses to acknowledge, it's just a matter of time until it affects the non-believers directly.

[billvon 1,945]

30 minutes ago, normiss said:

Like everything else ignorance forcibly refuses to acknowledge, it's just a matter of time until it affects the non-believers directly.

. . . at which point they just blame Biden and call it a day.

 

[SkyDekker 901]

19 minutes ago, billvon said:

. . . at which point they just blame Biden and call it a day.

 

Thanks Obama!

[brenthutch 356]

2 hours ago, normiss said:

Climate change impact on coffee production - so it's not from one of the many farms facing new challenges.

Like everything else ignorance forcibly refuses to acknowledge, it's just a matter of time until it affects the non-believers directly.

This infidel will stick to the facts and not be swayed by the proselytizing of the climate cult. 

[SkyDekker 901]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

This infidel will stick to the facts and not be swayed by the proselytizing of the climate cult. 

This is your problem with facts:

Claim: bullets kill people

Observation: bullet misses target and doesn't kill person

Brenthutch: see bullets don't kill people, the facts show it.

[brenthutch 356]

34 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

This is your problem with facts:

Claim: bullets kill people

Observation: bullet misses target and doesn't kill person

Brenthutch: see bullets don't kill people, the facts show it.

Not quite…more like…

Claim: Climate change puts coffee production in peril 

Observation: Coffee production is at or near record levels 

Climate cult: deny and obfuscate 

[SkyDekker 901]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Not quite…more like…

Claim: Climate change puts coffee production in peril 

Observation: Coffee production is at or near record levels 

Climate cult: deny and obfuscate 

Uhmm, yeah not really.

Claim:  farm in Guatemala claims coffee production in peril due to climate change

Observation: global coffee production is up, specifically in Brazil and Vietnam.

Brenthutch: see there can't be a problem in Guatamala.

[gowlerk 1,610]

12 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Uhmm, yeah not really.

Claim:  farm in Guatemala claims coffee production in peril due to climate change

Observation: global coffee production is up, specifically in Brazil and Vietnam.

Brenthutch: see there can't be a problem in Guatamala.

More to the point is that BH can still afford all the coffee he wants so it just doesn't matter. 

[brenthutch 356]

28 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Uhmm, yeah not really.

Claim:  farm in Guatemala claims coffee production in peril due to climate change

Observation: global coffee production is up, specifically in Brazil and Vietnam.

Brenthutch: see there can't be a problem in Guatamala.

If there is, it’s called weather.  BTW what ever happened to that climate change induced mega drought in California?

[SkyDekker 901]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

If there is, it’s called weather.

And weather is impacted by climate.

4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

BTW what ever happened to that climate change induced mega drought in California?

It was followed by record breaking precipitation. One of the effects of climate change is weather patterns that swing from extreme to extreme.

[brenthutch 356]

26 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

And weather is impacted by climate.

It was followed by record breaking precipitation. One of the effects of climate change is weather patterns that swing from extreme to extreme.

I guess California is in an extreme state of non-drought 

[brenthutch 356]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/15/german-greens-suffer-setback-in-bremen-local-election
 

“Even among a progressively minded urban electorate, the party was punished as it set about turning promises to reduce carbon emissions into action: Green voters who like the idea of car-free cities are now also concerned about the social consequences.” AKA cost.

Here in the US, once the electorate starts to get a real taste of the costs involved, support will evaporate and the Ds will abandon the GND, like the rats they are, leaving a sinking ship.

[SkyDekker 901]

23 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I guess California is in an extreme state of non-drought 

Good to see that the people who died in flooding in California earlier this year are entertaining to you.

They were from California, so probably bud-light drinking, trans loving communists who don't really deserve to live anyways....right.

[brenthutch 356]

16 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Good to see that the people who died in flooding in California earlier this year are entertaining to you.

 

Are you suggesting nobody would die from flooding if CO2 were at preindustrial levels?

Let me help you out

Rank	Death toll	Event	Location	Date
1.	422,499–4,000,000[49]	1931 China floods	China	1931
2.	900,000–2,000,000	1887 Yellow River (Huang He) flood		1887
3.	230,000[50]	1975 Banqiao Dam failure		1975
4.	145,000	1935 Yangtze flood		1935
5.	100,000+	St. Felix's flood, storm surge	Holy Roman Empire	1530
7.	100,000[citation needed]	1911 Yangtze River flood	China	1911
8.	100,000[51][52][53][54]	The flood of 1099	Netherlands & England	1099
9.	50,000–80,000[52]	St. Lucia's flood, storm surge	Holy Roman Empire	1287
10.	60,000	North Sea flood, storm surge		1212

 

[SkyDekker 901]

Just now, brenthutch said:

Are you suggesting nobody would die from flooding if CO2 were at preindustrial levels?

I honestly don't understand how anybody could possibly come to that conclusion from what I posted.

[brenthutch 356]

2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I honestly don't understand how anybody could possibly come to that conclusion from what I posted.

You seemed to imply flooding deaths were a function of man-made climate change.

[SkyDekker 901]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You seemed to imply flooding deaths were a function of man-made climate change.

Ahhh, we are back to this:

"This is your problem with facts:

Claim: bullets kill people

Observation: bullet misses target and doesn't kill person

Brenthutch: see bullets don't kill people, the facts show it."

[brenthutch 356]

35 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Ahhh, we are back to this:

 

Seems the only thing we are back to is your obfuscation.

Let’s return to discussing the collapse of support for climate initiatives once the costs start to hit folks in the pocketbook.

[SkyDekker 901]

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Seems the only thing we are back to is your obfuscation.

Let’s return to discussing the collapse of support for climate initiatives once the costs start to hit folks in the pocketbook.

Ahh, the "people don't want to pay for it therefor it doesn't exist" approach.

 Stellar thinking!

[timski 68]

I've been asking adults (for years) around my age (53) with this question: Have you not seen CHANGE/ warmer winters since childhood??? 100% agree, there has been change, it doesn't snow like it used too...It's "warmer"... EVERYONE agrees.  Except those two guys!!! 

[brenthutch 356]

15 minutes ago, timski said:

I've been asking adults (for years) around my age (53) with this question: Have you not seen CHANGE/ warmer winters since childhood??? 100% agree, there has been change, it doesn't snow like it used too...It's "warmer"... EVERYONE agrees.  Except those two guys!!! 

It doesn’t snow like it used to…it snows more

[Dr.SkyFall 23]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

If there is, it’s called weather.  BTW what ever happened to that climate change induced mega drought in California?

......It contributed to horrible fires that caused billions in damage. What point do you think you're making?

[Dr.SkyFall 23]

8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

It doesn’t snow like it used to…it snows more

Yes, that is the problem. The average global temperature is rising leading to more extreme weather events. Thinking climate change just means everyday is hotter than the past is honestly just sad if it's held as a true belief. A caricature of a straw man  

[brenthutch 356]

32 minutes ago, Dr.SkyFall said:

Yes, that is the problem. The average global temperature is rising leading to more extreme weather events. Thinking climate change just means everyday is hotter than the past is honestly just sad if it's held as a true belief. A caricature of a straw man  

The OP is not about climate change per se, it is about how belief in man made climate change drops as costs rise. If you have something to contribute, be my guest.