BMAC615 172 #101 Tuesday at 04:19 AM 14 minutes ago, base615 said: No, thank fuck Cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 298 #102 Tuesday at 10:40 AM 16 hours ago, riggerrob said: Tell them to go back and read the 4 articles that Annette O'Neil published - on dz.com - back during the autumn of 2016. I researched those articles, then handed the data to Annette because I was exhausted from a 9-year-long court trial about a King Air crash back in 2008. We learned a bloody lesson back in 1992 and there is no reason to repeat those mistakes. Smart skydivers learn from the bloody mistakes made by others. i was referring to seatbelts in cars. i don't know anyone who doesn't wear one in a plane on the ride to altitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 257 #103 Tuesday at 12:59 PM On 5/27/2023 at 6:52 PM, riggerrob said: 15 years ago, the problem was that many young jumpers were already exceeding any wing-loading guidelines that USPA was likely to publish, so USPA politicians tried to find a "soft" response ... or "grandfather" those jumpers who were heavily-loading their canopies. As usual, politicians were behind the fashion and trying to introduce solutions that were so luke-warm that they bordered on toothless. Junior jumpers are always going to try to down-size too fast - quoting the "mad skills." Only DZOs can say "you can't jump that tiny canopy here." DZOs will only limit wing-loadings when they fear that ambulances and hearses will interrupt their regular business. This was argued long and hard here 15 years ago. The problem was USPA doing nothing for hundreds of deaths and injuries over the preceding decade and then doing as little as possible to "fix" the issue with "education" when members were asking for changes with teeth that would create measurable positive results. It appears that they have continued to do as little as possible in the realm of education ever since, and those who cared 15 years ago gave up. (I did) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 257 #104 Tuesday at 12:59 PM (edited) "Here are a couple more areas we agree: A BSR for WL restrictions is impractical. What’s an S&TA gonna do, make someone get on a scale and declare a canopy size before manifesting? Further, the liability for a DZ and USPA is too great if someone were to operate outside the WL restrictions. Also, a ban on swooping won’t work either. There are too many people within the skydiving political structure who are financially entangled with swooping for a ban to get any support. So, the only thing to do is to call on those with influence to change the culture the same way they did with low pulls." Disagree strongly that a WL BSR for low experience jumpers would not be practical. Get a new rig/main? Get on the same scale used for students. Signed off in logbook, good to go. Show up at a new dz, it's part of the waiver process, same as showing a data card and seal. Prove you have the experience and you can go auger yourself in all you want under whatever canopy you choose. If the DZO is cool with it. The culture won't change because those with influence also have a financial stake in the continued sales of said canopies. Edited Tuesday at 01:19 PM by skybytch 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,610 #105 Tuesday at 01:33 PM 24 minutes ago, skybytch said: The culture won't change because those with influence also have a financial stake in the continued sales of said canopies. No, that is far too simple and very unfair. The culture exists because a large subset of skydivers enjoys the thrill and even the danger of HP landings. Some of the most influential skydivers are among this group because they are among the most experienced and dedicated jumpers. Many are staff, instructors, and DZOs. USPA could and I think should stop promoting this aspect of the sport. But any effort to ban it can only come from DZOs who are unwilling to deal with the injuries that learning the needed skills cause. Any move to sharply curtail it by USPA would immediately result in a huge schism within the sport with DZs owned by swoopers and their supporters leaving USPA. Only so much can be done realistically. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 1,866 #106 Tuesday at 02:11 PM 9 hours ago, BMAC615 said: Cool. What a freakin' doof I am. Thanks for asking him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base615 65 #107 Tuesday at 02:32 PM 16 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: What a freakin' doof I am. Thanks for asking him. I have traveled to the US for jumping many times. Sadly, the rest of the world is affected by the land of the unfree, in skydiving and other things. At least for the time being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMAC615 172 #108 Tuesday at 07:59 PM 5 hours ago, base615 said: I have traveled to the US for jumping many times. Sadly, the rest of the world is affected by the land of the unfree, in skydiving and other things. At least for the time being. How would you be affected if USPA de-prioritized the support and promotion of CP activities? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 1,866 #109 Wednesday at 01:54 AM 11 hours ago, base615 said: I have traveled to the US for jumping many times. Sadly, the rest of the world is affected by the land of the unfree, in skydiving and other things. At least for the time being. Down came the squatter mounted on his thorough-bred Up came the troopers one, two, three "Where's that jolly swooper you've got in your Caravan? You'll come a Waltzing Matilda with me" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
