brenthutch 352 #1 Posted March 17 “Harvard's James Anderson was quoted by the gritpost.com article as stating: 'The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero.” Yet another failed prediction Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 1,678 #2 March 17 Just now, brenthutch said: “Harvard's James Anderson was quoted by the gritpost.com article as stating: 'The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero.” Yet another failed prediction So that means that any ice left now is impermanent? Makes sense, unless permanent means a maximum amount of time instead of, well, permanent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 352 #3 March 18 22 hours ago, JoeWeber said: So that means that any ice left now is impermanent? Makes sense, unless permanent means a maximum amount of time instead of, well, permanent. Meaning ice free Arctic in the summer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 887 #4 March 18 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Meaning ice free Arctic in the summer. Unless I’ve massively overslept we haven’t had summer 2023 yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 352 #5 March 18 3 minutes ago, jakee said: Unless I’ve massively overslept we haven’t had summer 2023 yet. But it is after 2022 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 887 #6 March 18 3 hours ago, brenthutch said: But it is after 2022 Meaning ice free Arctic in the summer. Who just said that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,753 #7 March 18 5 minutes ago, jakee said: Meaning ice free Arctic in the summer. Who just said that? Stop Twisting His Words!!! [/sarc] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 989 #8 March 18 2 hours ago, jakee said: Meaning ice free Arctic in the summer. Who just said that? Also 'when' and 'where'? No attribution, no source, no nothing. No surprise, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 281 #9 March 19 16 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: Also 'when' and 'where'? No attribution, no source, no nothing. No surprise, either. Brent's given up posting the links to his source material, because he doesn't read them and knows that we do. Too risky for him, he's been owned by his own links too many times already 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,496 #10 March 19 (edited) If anyone really cares about the decline of arctic sea ice this article covers it nicely. It has far too many words for our troll to bother with, but it does have a section on individual scientist's predictions that have turned out to be overstating the speed of the decline. Including the one that has been quoted in the denier circles lately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline Edited March 19 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 1,623 #11 March 19 This week’s NT Times magazine had a truly excellent article about Thomas Midgely Jr, the man who, in the 20’s, was responsible for revolutionizing gasoline engines with the addition of lead to gasoline, and refrigeration, with the invention of Freon. Apparently the main reason that lead, instead of ethanol (which also had anti-knock properties) was selected, was because industry could patent lead. It was already general knowledge that lead had negative effects on health and development, just not how pervasive it was going to be. Both had positive effects, but it could be argued that their negative effects far outweighed their positive ones. Kind of like all the “só a little ice is melting” arguments. Who stands to make the most money? The Man Who Broke the World Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 389 #12 March 19 1 hour ago, wmw999 said: This week’s NT Times magazine had a truly excellent article about Thomas Midgely Jr, the man who, in the 20’s, was responsible for revolutionizing gasoline engines with the addition of lead to gasoline, and refrigeration, with the invention of Freon. Apparently the main reason that lead, instead of ethanol (which also had anti-knock properties) was selected, was because industry could patent lead. It was already general knowledge that lead had negative effects on health and development, just not how pervasive it was going to be. Both had positive effects, but it could be argued that their negative effects far outweighed their positive ones. Kind of like all the “só a little ice is melting” arguments. Who stands to make the most money? The Man Who Broke the World Wendy P. Tim Hartford did an episode of his Cautionary Tales Podcast about Midgely, was a good listen:https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/cautionary-tales/the-inventor-who-almost-ended-the-world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
