Seymour Hersh: How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

[okalb 71]

31 minutes ago, jakee said:

Yet you also said it flew a pattern consistent with the release of a particular type of weapon. Do you know what that pattern looks like? Do you know how it differs from a normal surveillance pattern? Do you know how consistent it is with any other types of flight operations?

Those questions are only asked by people who care about the truth. He certainly wouldn't fall into that category.

[normiss 422]

29 minutes ago, jakee said:

Yet you also said it flew a pattern consistent with the release of a particular type of weapon. Do you know what that pattern looks like? Do you know how it differs from a normal surveillance pattern? Do you know how consistent it is with any other types of flight operations?

I'm not sure ground pounders are tasked with such maneuvers.

In the Navy, we were forbidden from discussing the types of remote flight we were able to direct from the AEGIS system over Global NTDS. It was restricted to certain aircraft, never intelligence gathering flights though. 

[SkyDekker 901]

4 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

That is a good question and I do not have an answer. All I know it was tracked and reported as a likely A/C in the time and place of the explosion with the capability to perform the task.

If you know the ICAO24 address of a type of plane you can make any plane look like that via the ADS-B system.

[RonD1120 54]

This:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-us-navy-jet-flew-across-baltic-hours-after-nord-stream-burst-2022-10-07/

3D tracking revealed more significant data. Just something to think about.

Edited May 10 by RonD1120

[jakee 981]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

This:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-us-navy-jet-flew-across-baltic-hours-after-nord-stream-burst-2022-10-07/

After the pipeline burst. Right there in the headline - "hours after".

And in the third paragraph - Flight data showed a P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and reconnaissance plane was over the North Sea at 0003 GMT when Swedish seismologists registered what they later described as a subsea blast southeast of Bornholm Island in the Baltic Sea. 

The North Sea and the Baltic Sea are not the same sea. The plane wasn't there yet.

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

3D tracking revealed more significant data. Just something to think about.

What did the 3D tracking reveal? I'm assuming it's not that the plane went back in time.

Edited May 10 by jakee

[SkyDekker 901]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

This:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-us-navy-jet-flew-across-baltic-hours-after-nord-stream-burst-2022-10-07/

3D tracking revealed more significant data. Just something to think about.

3D tracking? What the hell is 3D tracking? All airplane tracking sites track all the same metrics. The site you mentioned has a "3D" visualization of that data, but it doesn't reveal anything different.

Never mind that the title of the article clearly states the aircraft flew over the area hours after the explosion......

[billvon 1,945]

27 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

3D tracking? What the hell is 3D tracking?

It's like regular tracking but everyone wears green and red glasses.

[JerryBaumchen 874]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:28 AM, okalb said:

Let me guess, you got this info from the same "high level backchannels" that you have gotten all the rest of your incorrect information and predictions from?

Hi okalb,

If it worked before, why won't it work again?

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 691]

On 5/10/2023 at 2:59 PM, billvon said:

It's like regular tracking but everyone wears green and red glasses.

Only for a millisecond was I tempted to google 3D tracking. So thanks for that.

[RonD1120 54]

On 5/10/2023 at 4:32 PM, SkyDekker said:

3D tracking? What the hell is 3D tracking? 

:Line of Flight + Altitude + Air Speed + Time Over Target

Edited May 13 by RonD1120

[jakee 981]

30 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

:Line of Flight + Altitude + Air Speed + Time Over Target

And what among that data was significant about the time this P8 spent over the pipeline after it had blown up?

[BartsDaddy 3]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

And what among that data was significant about the time this P8 spent over the pipeline after it had blown up?

Damage assessment maybe? no matter if it had anything to do with nordstream or not, people like me or you will never know for certain. I would bet there are governments that have no doubt who did it.

[jakee 981]

16 minutes ago, BartsDaddy said:

Damage assessment maybe?

Quite possibly. Makes perfect sense to me that it could have been asked to go and have a look after the explosion was detected.

But I’m asking the guy who thinks it attacked the pipeline with a time travelling anti submarine weapon.

[wolfriverjoe 1,094]

3 hours ago, BartsDaddy said:

Damage assessment maybe? no matter if it had anything to do with nordstream or not, people like me or you will never know for certain. I would bet there are governments that have no doubt who did it.

Considering that a LOT of governments have a LOT  of interest in what goes on in (and under) the Baltic, I'd bet heavily that everyone in NATO who's cleared for the info knows who did it, and how.

Most blame is being aimed at the Russians, Ukrainians & Americans. 

Motive, opportunity, ability. 

It wasn't a 'simple' thing to accomplish. Investigators are saying it's almost a certainty that it was a 'state actor'. 

They also know what explosive was used, which may or may not give indications of who did it (not terribly hard to acquire just about any explosive out there if you have the money & the contacts).

Like so many other operations of this sort, the truth will come out eventually. But it may well be a while (years), and it's not out of the question that nobody will believe the truth when it's released.

[SkyDekker 901]

On 5/13/2023 at 9:49 AM, RonD1120 said:

:Line of Flight + Altitude + Air Speed + Time Over Target

Every airplane tracking website collects/tracks that data.