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billvon

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15 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Nobody ever told an old white guy that nigger is offensive....I am shocked. I am sure you took a real long time searching for this too before stating nobody was ever offended by it.

What part of "in the movie" was it that you couldn't understand?

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

So you too approve of  changing historical events for political reasons (even if just "correctness".

They don't mind changing them for respect and courtesy reasons, just like you approve of changing them for entertainment reasons.

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5 hours ago, kallend said:

So you too approve of  changing historical events for political reasons (even if just "correctness".

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

The name change does nothing to change the event. I challenge you to use the word that was changed.  

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6 hours ago, kallend said:

What part of "in the movie" was it that you couldn't understand?

 

2 hours ago, jakee said:

They don't mind changing them for respect and courtesy reasons, just like you approve of changing them for entertainment reasons.

 

10 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The name change does nothing to change the event. I challenge you to use the word that was changed.  

I think you all may be correct. Even heroes can have serious flaws that books, movies, producers and authors Either choose, or fail, to include or choose to dismiss. There may be reasons for such inclusions or omissions. Right or wrong.

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On 1/26/2023 at 12:53 AM, kallend said:

What part of "in the movie" was it that you couldn't understand?

Nobody was offended in the movie.....shocker....but I am pretty sure that is not what you meant. Nice try and backpedaling though. Unless you really want me to believe you actually used an equivalent of "I have a black friend" with your "nobody has ever been offended."

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India establishes a Ministry of Truth:

WaPo:

India’s Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology filed a draft amendment last week to a recent media law that could have sweeping consequences for free expression in the world’s largest democracy. According to the proposed language, any information marked as “fake” by the fact-checking division of India’s Press Information Bureau will need to be taken down by “online intermediaries,” a category that would include social media companies.

 

This latest move potentially casts a pall over journalism in the country. Two industry associations — the Editors Guild of India and Digipub, a group of news sites in India — have published strong statements arguing that the amendment could give arbitrary and discretionary power to the Indian government.

And they are right to be concerned. Within a few days of mooting the amendments, the Indian government contacted Twitter to take down posts linking to a BBC documentary critical of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his role in the 2002 anti-Muslim pogrom. The government has reportedly invoked emergency powers under a related IT law. The new amendments can only strengthen the censors’ hand in these matters.

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7 hours ago, kallend said:

It's a shame that you approve of political advantage as a legitimate reason for changing history.

It’s a shame you don’t know the difference between entertainment and history. It’s even more of a shame that you specifically exclude ‘it’s really racist’ from the many, many reasons you find it perfectly acceptable for the film industry to stray from absolute historical fact.

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11 hours ago, kallend said:

I'm pleased to report that the latest release (HD, Blu Ray) has chosen to revert to the original, correct version and not  rewrite that particular piece of history for the sake of politics.

You’ve reported that several times already. Given that you approve of rewriting history for any number of other reasons it’s really strange that this one has got you so worked up you can’t even remember what you’ve been ranting about.

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And in the latest thing sure to trigger every anti-woke bro out there, the new series Velma (where she finally comes out after decades) is now . . . the most popular HBO Max animated series of all time.  It's not because it's all that good, but because so many bros and FOX News hosts and Twitterati have had screaming conniptions about it that people are starting to watch it, just to see what all the fuss is about.

Look for more of these, as HBO starts collecting their bags of money as well.

https://www.intomore.com/tv/velmas-hate-watchers-propelled-show-massive-success/

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48 minutes ago, billvon said:

And in the latest thing sure to trigger every anti-woke bro out there, the new series Velma (where she finally comes out after decades) is now . . . the most popular HBO Max animated series of all time.  It's not because it's all that good, but because so many bros and FOX News hosts and Twitterati have had screaming conniptions about it that people are starting to watch it, just to see what all the fuss is about.

Look for more of these, as HBO starts collecting their bags of money as well.

https://www.intomore.com/tv/velmas-hate-watchers-propelled-show-massive-success/

Hi Bill,

Ever see the movie THE PRODUCERS:  The Producers (1967 film) - Wikipedia

Jerry Baumchen

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Update - the "woke disaster" Avatar 2 is now the fourth highest grossing movie - ever.  Bigger than all the Star Wars, even the recent ones.  Bigger than Lion King.  And soon to be bigger than Titanic, which it is currently trailing 2.116 billion to 2.194 billion.

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18 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I loved Avatar One and Two. As far as being WOKE it really isn't. 

The human villain was a white man.  He was a capitalist who had no problem killing sentient whales for a tiny amount of very profitable goo from their brains.  He died in a particularly gruesome fashion.

The hero was a former white man - now no longer white - who saw the error of his ways and now supports the natives.   All the other heroes, save one, were non-white natives.

And overall, the plot is quite literally a battle against capitalism and Western colonialism.  The honorable colored people are defending their resources against the white men with modern technology, who enslave, torture and kill the natives to achieve their ends.  It just doesn't get more woke than that.

The filming was just as woke.  Cameron made everyone on the crew go vegan.

And before the film came out, it was called a woke disaster by conservatives.  Right wing reviewers were quite clear on this.  Cameron is telling people that "we need to abandon this white male culture of exploitation and embrace tolerance, inclusivity and respect" which of course is "a rich hypocrisy" since Cameron is a white man. His movie claims that "promoting science and technology will destroy the planet within the next century" and good right wingers must oppose "this hateful dogma cleverly disguised as entertainment."

As a result, the reviewer "expects the film to be a financial flop, perhaps it should be an indication that the woke narrative has become tired."  Liberals "who hate humanity, industry and technology will cheer the next affirmation of their bias" while conservatives will hope for something "more rooted in reality and less insulting to the intellect of the audience."

I find it honestly hilarious that they (and you) are now scrambling to call it "not woke" after their predictions of financial disaster have failed miserably and it has become the fourth most successful movie in history.

But by all means keep trying!

https://risk-monger.com/2022/12/15/avatar-the-way-of-woke-film-review/

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58 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Seriously?  How do you verify if someone is going vegan?  Are there people taking toilet samples?

Movie sets are always catered with food provided. Going vegan in this case means that only vegan food was allowed to be served. Most likely a rule against bringing your own food was also imposed upon the employees. Something I would never stand for, but people do what they need to do in order to earn a living.

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13 hours ago, airdvr said:

Seriously?  How do you verify if someone is going vegan?

Is that a serious question?

You make sure the craft table only has vegan food.  You yell at people who eat anything other than vegan food.  You write missives declaring the importance of veganism.  Maybe you fire someone who ate a Big Mac for lunch as an example.

You don't take stool samples.

I mean, imagine a DZO says that he has a no-beer policy on the DZ until green light.  Does he pee test everyone?  Does he have a breathalyzer he walks around with?  Or does he just yell at people who drink beer before green light?  Use your experience with DZ's here.

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“That's all we're serving. We're not forcing anyone to eat there that doesn't want to.”

Cameron made arrangements for all on-set catering to be plant-based, though cast and crew were welcome to eat meat at a close-by off-set café

https://www.veganfirst.com/article/james-cameron-reveals-his-vegan-values-and-served-only-vegan-food-on-sets-of-avatar-productions
 

Wildly speculating is fun and all, but this wasn’t difficult to find…

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On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

The human villain was a white man.  He was a capitalist who had no problem killing sentient whales

Yes, he was a capitalistic earthling, likely from Australia.  Cameron said "When you see the movie you’ll see that it’s all about saving whales, avatar treating them with empathy as equals. It’s the pivotal message of the film"

And in case you haven't heard,  when PETA and animal rights activists condemned Live Avtar shows featuring captive dolphins, they didn't invite Cameron & crew on a re-education  trip to Australia to see evil capitalistic white men, they invited them on a trip to Japan to witness the cruel nature of their Whaling industry.
 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

The hero was a former white man - now no longer white

The (other) villain was also a former white man that was ordered by his female woman superior to kill the other former white man for his betrayal.   Your fixation on sex and race is a bit awkward, exaggerated and displaced.

 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

And overall, the plot is quite literally a battle against capitalism and Western colonialism. 

I'd say it's more a battle against a monopolistic form of unfettered capitalism in the worst sense.   The antagonist in the film is a female general for the RDA which is a quasi-governmental corporation (more powerful than any government on Earth) that has a monopoly on the sale of all goods from interplanetary exploits.  A concept Cameron wrote back in the early 80s.

A movie that quickly comes to mind as a comparison is "Blood Diamond."  But I don't think people would consider that a woke movie in any pejorative sense of the definition.

 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

The honorable colored people are defending their resources against the white men with modern technology, who enslave, torture and kill the natives to achieve their ends. 

That was more of the plot for the first film which was basically a retelling of North and South American story of colonization.  A story that has be retold many times.  Many accused Cameron of ripping off Pocahontas/Fern Gully and was subject to multiple lawsuits.

This movie on the other hand was simply about saving whales and one man's revenge against another. . .and of course, glorifying violence despite cutting out a measly 10 minutes of what seemed to be 2 hours of non-stop animated gun- fire, lmao.  And somehow you considered that woke?

 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

It just doesn't get more woke than that.

Whatever you say chief, but In case you haven't heard, verdicts in: movie critics, community activists, and university professors blasted Avatar as a racist  "White Savior film riddled with cultural appropriation" and "an amalgamation of the histories of various Indigenous cultures for a film that features a largely white cast."  Natives even called for a boycott. . .

 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

And before the film came out, it was called a woke disaster by conservatives.  Right wing reviewers were quite clear on this.  Cameron is telling people that "we need to abandon this white male culture of exploitation," "His movie claims that "promoting science and technology will destroy the planet within the next century" and good right wingers must oppose "this hateful dogma cleverly disguised as entertainment."

Those quotes were from some satarist bloke in the UK and are just as exaggerated and innaccurate as those calling it a racist white savior film.  Add to that a bit of youthful performative activism hopped up on some piss and vinegar with a dose of self righteous moral superiority and you have the modern pejorative definition of woke as used by many on both the left and the right.

Of course these Avatards are going to have something negative to say, it's good for exposure,  but the film wasn't marketed for the sake of wokeness, nor was it marketed in the way you've described it.  These are not the reasons people went to see the film, nor was it the general impression of the audience, and certainly not the takeaway for kids.  

 

On 2/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, billvon said:

I find it honestly hilarious that they (and you) are now scrambling to call it "not woke" after their predictions of financial disaster have failed miserably

I think it's hilarious how you're trying to revenge troll Brent for poking fun at AOC's climate change movie that made less than a mediocre youtube channel.  
 

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