Election Fraud

[JerryBaumchen 1,274]

Hi folks,

Looks like the GOP is ramping up.  They seem to be going at it at the lowest levels:  “We know it’s safe and secure. But there are people who’ve just never had to think about it in Oregon. They’ve just trusted it and used it for 20 years.”

Oregon Secretary of State Shemia Fagan

West Coast election fraud claims are driving polarization in the midterm elections - OPB

Your state could be next.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,739]

8 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Looks like the GOP is ramping up. 

And yet ironically all the recent cases of election fraud have come from . . . republicans.  Voting from out of state while claiming to be in state.  Using fraudulent ID.  Voting with a "fake" address they have never lived at.  Putting out fake ballot boxes and then collecting the votes when people drop off their ballots.

 

[Phil1111 1,086]

Somehow I think the FBI is on top of all of this. They, the GOP, have publicly announced that this is the plan. Shortly after trump's loss was announced.

Talk of ‘Civil War,’ Ignited by Mar-a-Lago Search, Is Flaring Online  Fraud will be a FACT in the upcoming midterms. The FBI will be branded cheats, puppets and co-participants in the coverup.

The only real question is how much violence will arise from it all. IMO law enforcement will flush out the real fraud. Gerrymandering, barriers to voting , etc. will remain. mainly because Americans accept it. The courts have licensed it.

[Phil1111 1,086]

16 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Looks like the GOP is ramping up.  They seem to be going at it at the lowest levels:  “We know it’s safe and secure. But there are people who’ve just never had to think about it in Oregon. They’ve just trusted it and used it for 20 years.”

Oregon Secretary of State Shemia Fagan

West Coast election fraud claims are driving polarization in the midterm elections - OPB

Your state could be next.

Jerry Baumchen

Gerry do you remember this Trump - The Forgotten Person MAGA, election fraud, originates all from trump. Until he is either jailed, or dead. It is likely to continue.

The money raising opportunities from this entire political agenda are just too great. The Internets ability to bring misinformation to so many right wing trump supporters too powerful.

[okalb 96]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

And yet ironically all the recent cases of election fraud have come from . . . republicans.  Voting from out of state while claiming to be in state.  Using fraudulent ID.  Voting with a "fake" address they have never lived at.  Putting out fake ballot boxes and then collecting the votes when people drop off their ballots.

 

I know of one person personally that committed election fraud. They are not an American citizen although they have legally lived in the US for years and married to an American. The person in question is not legally allowed to vote in the US, but did. 

Ironically the person I am referring to is an avid Trump supporter and still truly believes that the election was stolen from Trump.

[kallend 1,827]

Even the bears are involved:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63218790

[headoverheels 329]

Well this is as off topic as John's bear, but this MAGAt fraudster plead guilty to vandalizing his own property and torching his camper.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-man-who-falsely-claimed-vandals-targeted-his-house-because-of-his-trump-flag-has-pleaded-guilty-to-fraud/ar-AA12QWZN

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,274]

1 hour ago, headoverheels said:

Well this is as off topic as John's bear, but this MAGAt fraudster plead guilty to vandalizing his own property and torching his camper.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-man-who-falsely-claimed-vandals-targeted-his-house-because-of-his-trump-flag-has-pleaded-guilty-to-fraud/ar-AA12QWZN

 

Hi heels,

'I love the uneducated.'

I rest my case.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,274]

Hi folks,

A little more info on this subject:  Ringleader of Trump-aligned election officials nears Nevada takeover - POLITICO

He has called for eliminating mail voting, curtailing early voting and pushing for hand counts of ballots — despite evidence that the practice is more error-prone than using machines — and could generally make it more difficult to vote in the state.

And, back in 2020, Michael Flynn wanted the military to confiscate all election ballot counting machines.

Looks like they are trying to get there one way or the other.

The people of this country must step & vote so these things do not happen.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,739]

Nowadays Trumpists are still claiming that Trump would have won an "honest election."  Trump himself has called for investigation and criminal prosecution of the massive electoral fraud that "cost him the election."

Fortunately, those prosecutions are in progress.  However, the severity of the prosecution seems to depend on what your political affiliation is.  Four men in The Villages, a pro-Trump community in Florida*, were recently arrested for in-person voter fraud - specifically, for voting more than once. They all confessed to their crimes.  What will the severe penalties for these electoral fraudsters be?  After all, this carries a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison, and is usually bargained down to six months to a year.

The most heinous violator was John Rider.  He will be . . . given 50 hours of community service.  But just in case that's a cruel and unusual punishment for someone who attempts to subvert the democratic process, he was given the option to 'buy out' the hours for $10 an hour.  So that's a $500 fine.

The other three will have to sit through a civics course before they are prosecuted.  But fear not; the judge hinted that if they completed the course, the prosecution would be dropped.

They are, of course, all republicans.

You couldn't ask for a better example of a government turning a blind eye to voter fraud if it helps the ruling party.  Three of these people are likely not even going to be prosecuted.  Which is understandable if you're Florida; you wouldn't want republicans dissuaded from voting more than once.   How else are they going to keep winning?

 

(* - this community was so rabidly pro-Trump that Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz all made appearances there before the election.)

[SkyDekker 1,294]

17 hours ago, billvon said:

Nowadays Trumpists are still claiming that Trump would have won an "honest election."  Trump himself has called for investigation and criminal prosecution of the massive electoral fraud that "cost him the election."

Fortunately, those prosecutions are in progress.  However, the severity of the prosecution seems to depend on what your political affiliation is.  Four men in The Villages, a pro-Trump community in Florida*, were recently arrested for in-person voter fraud - specifically, for voting more than once. They all confessed to their crimes.  What will the severe penalties for these electoral fraudsters be?  After all, this carries a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison, and is usually bargained down to six months to a year.

The most heinous violator was John Rider.  He will be . . . given 50 hours of community service.  But just in case that's a cruel and unusual punishment for someone who attempts to subvert the democratic process, he was given the option to 'buy out' the hours for $10 an hour.  So that's a $500 fine.

The other three will have to sit through a civics course before they are prosecuted.  But fear not; the judge hinted that if they completed the course, the prosecution would be dropped.

They are, of course, all republicans.

You couldn't ask for a better example of a government turning a blind eye to voter fraud if it helps the ruling party.  Three of these people are likely not even going to be prosecuted.  Which is understandable if you're Florida; you wouldn't want republicans dissuaded from voting more than once.   How else are they going to keep winning?

 

(* - this community was so rabidly pro-Trump that Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz all made appearances there before the election.)

The US Justice system is straining to retain any type of credibility. At this point there are more Americans who believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, than approve of the Supreme Court. It is an existential threat to US democracy.

Edited February 3, 2023 by SkyDekker

[gowlerk 2,103]

10 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

The US Justice system is straining to retain any type of credibility.

The travesty of the Guantanamo Gulag was in the news today. America loves justice. 

[kallend 1,827]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/11/trump-campaign-report-electoral-fraud/

Former president Donald Trump’s 2020 campaign commissioned an outside research firm in a bid to prove electoral-fraud claims but never released the findings because the firm disputed many of his theories and could not offer any proof that he was the rightful winner of the election, according to four people familiar with the matter.

. . . .

 

[kallend 1,827]

Fulton County (GA) Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney released parts of the grand jury report into election fraud in the 2020 GA election: viz. the introduction and conclusion as well as a section where the grand jury expressed concern that some witnesses may have lied under oath during their testimony.

 

“A majority of the grand jury believes that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses testifying before it. The grand jury recommends that the district attorney seek appropriate indictments for such crimes where the evidence is compelling.”

 

 

"The grand jury heard extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud from poll workers, investigators, technical experts, and State of Georgia employees and officials, as well as from persons still claiming that such fraud took place," the report reads. “We find by a unanimous vote that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election.”

[JerryBaumchen 1,274]

Hi folks,

Probably the biggest fraud of all:  Behind scenes, Fox News stars derided Trump camp's claims of election fraud : NPR

And, to think that there are still people who believe that Trump won.  There is little to no hope for them.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Didn't someone on here call it FAUX News?

[tonyhays 86]

18 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

PS)  Didn't someone on here call it FAUX News

Amazon wasn't it?  I used to disagree with her politically but I now I think I'm further left than she ever was.

[ryoder 1,557]

2 hours ago, tonyhays said:

Amazon wasn't it?  I used to disagree with her politically but I now I think I'm further left than she ever was.

She also used to refer to the "reich wing", which I though was over the top.

But with all that has happened in the past 6 years, I now realize she was absolutely correct.

[kallend 1,827]

21 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Probably the biggest fraud of all:  Behind scenes, Fox News stars derided Trump camp's claims of election fraud : NPR

And, to think that there are still people who believe that Trump won.  There is little to no hope for them.

Jerry Baumchen

 

That's because about 70% of Republicans are too stupid to realize that Fox "News" is in fact Fox Entertainment.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/70-percent-republicans-falsely-believe-stolen-election-trump/

[kallend 1,827]

On 2/16/2023 at 7:53 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Probably the biggest fraud of all:  Behind scenes, Fox News stars derided Trump camp's claims of election fraud : NPR

And, to think that there are still people who believe that Trump won.  There is little to no hope for them.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Didn't someone on here call it FAUX News?

More:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/17/fox-news-dominion-ratings-fear/

Just lie in order to keep viewers.

[ryoder 1,557]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

More:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/17/fox-news-dominion-ratings-fear/

Just lie in order to keep viewers.

Did it ever occur to Fox that if they behaved like a legitimate news organization, they could attract viewers from the entire general public, instead of only the subset of gullible fools?

[lippy 869]

41 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Did it ever occur to Fox that if they behaved like a legitimate news organization, they could attract viewers from the entire general public, instead of only the subset of gullible fools?

They must have been blinded by the sweet sweet money coming from MyPillow, tactical sunglasses and at-home catheter advertisements 

[billvon 2,739]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

Did it ever occur to Fox that if they behaved like a legitimate news organization, they could attract viewers from the entire general public, instead of only the subset of gullible fools?

No, they really can't.  They tried that.  Right after the election they called Arizona for Biden, an accurate call.  The gullible fools were outraged and stopped watching FOX; they saw a significant fall in viewership.  And after years of misinformation and lying they really had no other viewers.

They are now stuck with a subset of the viewing public who demand a very specific set of lies.  If they do not provide those lies they go out of business.  The discovery process during the Dominion lawsuit made that very clear; even 'journalists' at FOX who knew better called on the organization to support those lies because they were losing viewers.

Right after FOX announced Arizona for Biden, Tucker Carlson saw what a dilemma the news desk had put FOX in.  They could not retract it and look like fools, and they could not continue to predict that and outrage the gullible that serves as their viewer base.  "At this point we're getting hurt no matter what" he texted to his producer.  "We've got to be incredibly careful right now. We could get hurt." 

And they weren't just afraid of their viewers; they were afraid of Trump retaliating unless they leaned into his lies.  Carlson said that Trump was good at "destroying things. He's the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong."

One reporter who was actually trying to report the news at Fox tweeted that "there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised" in a fact-checking tweet from the FOX account.  Immediately Carlson tweeted to FOX management "please get her fired. Seriously....What the fuck?...It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It's measurably hurting the company. The stock price is down. Not a joke."

Producers knew it was all lies but could not do anything about it.  "This dominion shit is going to give me a fucking aneurysm — as many times as I've told Laura [Ingraham] it's bs, she sees shit posters and trump tweeting about it."  And thus Ingraham was told to keep doing it.

All that just underscores the fact that 1) FOX knows they are lying and 2) they are doing it in a very calculated way to keep viewers.

I mean, they could abandon all the lies.  They would go from the #1 news organization (pandering to those gullible fools) to the #6 news organization, behind CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc - and Newsmax would be the new #1.  Do you think anyone who holds FOX Corporation stock wants that?

[Phil1111 1,086]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

No, they really can't. ...FOX Corporation stock wants that?

Excellent as usual. Everyone has to keep in mind its Rupert MurDoch. That created the FOX propaganda machine. He has the same apparatus set up in Australia.

[kallend 1,827]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Excellent as usual. Everyone has to keep in mind its Rupert MurDoch. That created the FOX propaganda machine. He has the same apparatus set up in Australia.

Murdoch and Musk shared a box at the Superbowl.  Birds of a feather.

[Phil1111 1,086]

25 minutes ago, kallend said:

Murdoch and Musk shared a box at the Superbowl.  Birds of a feather.

I saw that. My opinion of Musk has really fallen since the twit disaster. Now the twits seem to have coalesced.