Liz Truss, UK Conservative

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I’d forgotten that — nice catch!

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 1,902]

23 hours ago, kallend said:

And fire the prime minister   (King William IV dismissed Lord Melbourne in 1834 so there is precedent).

Or, he could just take orders from the PM. A clear demonstration of  real power.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/02/uk/uk-charles-climate-cop27-gbr-intl/index.html

 

King Charles III will miss the upcoming COP27 climate change summit in Egypt, CNN understands, after British media reported that Prime Minister Liz Truss advised him to drop his plans to attend.

CNN understands that the King’s attendance at COP27 had not been confirmed and following consultations with the government, there was a joint agreement that this would not be the right occasion for Charles’s first overseas visit as a sovereign.

[Phil1111 908]

Evidently the rich in the UK lost their best friend and the benefits that she wanted to give them.No it wasn't the massive protest from regular working people. No, not the criticism from the Bank of England and financial experts.

It was her backbenches and other cabinet ministers that were not even consulted. When Liz gave the tax breaks to her rich buddies. Needless to say her honeymoon  was a disaster.

[ryoder 1,380]

On "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" the opening segment was a roasting of Liz Truss. If you subscribe to HBO Max, you can see it there.

They only post their main stories to Youtube, but not the opening segments. However someone has posted a bootleg copy, (with video flipped left-to-right to avoid copyright detection s/w):

 

[jakee 1,254]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Evidently the rich in the UK lost their best friend and the benefits that she wanted to give them.

There's a problem here which is that the avalanche of criticism for this specific measure and U-turn has temporarily stopped most commentators from talking about how awful and damaging the rest of the mini budget is. While this was the only measure exclusively targeted at the rich, it was only £2Bn of a £45Bn tax cut package, almost every other measure of which still disproportionately benefits the rich more than the poor - and today no-one is talking about that.

 

In every Tory interview I've seen today their (obviously co-ordinated) talking point has been to pivot to saying how great their energy bill support package is. A package which is vastly more expensive than it needs to be because it gives significantly more money per person to rich people with big houses who dont need the help than it does to those who are genuinely struggling, and which won't be funded by a windfall tax the way every other European nation is planning to do. Yet all the statements by all the Tories about their 'amazing' energy package are going completely unchallenged because all the interviewers are so laser focussed on trying to get them to say something original about the 45% U-turn which they clearly aren't going to do.

 

Ironically while Kwasi said he dropped it because it was 'a distraction', the act of dropping it has become a very effective distraction from journalists holding them to account on anything else.

Edited October 3, 2022 by jakee

[Phil1111 908]

32 minutes ago, jakee said:

... While this was the only measure exclusively targeted at the rich, it was only £2Bn of a £45Bn tax cut package, almost every other measure of which still disproportinately benefits the rich more than the poor -...

Typical political MO. Thankfully independent journalists will likely steer the conversation back to facts.

Is Rupert Murdoch as influential in the UK as he is in the US with FOX? i know he has tabloids there.

[jakee 1,254]

10 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Is Rupert Murdoch as influential in the UK as he is in the US with FOX? i know he has tabloids there.

Very. He owns the biggest tabloid and the biggest broadsheet - though the second biggest tabloid (Dail Mail owned by Viscount Rothermere) is currently acting as the undisguised mouthpiece of the Conservative party in general, and the BoJo, populist, hardcore Brexit, Trussonomics wing of the Conservative party in particular. Murdoch's are generally more subtle propaganda.

 

For many years he also owned the biggest cable news channel but had to sell it to Comcast for competition reasons a couple of years ago.

[jakee 1,254]

The Conservative party conference has just finished - the week where PM had the opportunity to flesh out her vision for the country in a supportive atmosphere surrounded by friends and without any antagonistic people butting in to ask any awkward questions. And she has still managed to emerge from it with the worst approval rating of any Prime Minister at any time - even worse than Boris as his own cronies were kicking him out.

 

“Even though voters generally like it when politicians U-turn to abandon unpopular policies, the fact that ‘U-turning to abandon unpopular policies’ seems to have defined her time in office so far means that she doesn’t even get the benefit of being seen as principled: her ratings for this are as poor as they are for being competent or being a strong leader.”

[Phil1111 908]

Truss and the the UK conservatives. "Earlier this year a Conservative MP resigned after admitting to watching porn in Parliament, and another unnamed Tory MP was arrested over allegations of rape and sexual assault. In April, Conservative MP Imran Ahmad Khan resigned his seat after being convicted of sexually assaulting a teenage boy in 2008, and the opposition Labour Party won the subsequent by-election in Wakefield."

Now Liz has fired a Knight to be in her own cabinet for bad conduct at a bar. Its starting to look as if Liz runs the gang that can't shoot straight.

[rifleman 61]

10 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Truss and the the UK conservatives. "Earlier this year a Conservative MP resigned after admitting to watching porn in Parliament, and another unnamed Tory MP was arrested over allegations of rape and sexual assault. In April, Conservative MP Imran Ahmad Khan resigned his seat after being convicted of sexually assaulting a teenage boy in 2008, and the opposition Labour Party won the subsequent by-election in Wakefield."

Now Liz has fired a Knight to be in her own cabinet for bad conduct at a bar. Its starting to look as if Liz runs the gang that can't shoot straight.

If the offences hadn't become public, the Conservative party would have done nothing about it. For years, the Chief Whip's office kept files on every Tory MP's pecadilloes that would have made J Edgar proud. These were used to blackmail MPs into voting the "right" way. Unfortunately for them we're now in an age where camera phones and YouTube exist so transgressions are more likely to end up in public domain.

[jakee 1,254]

11 minutes ago, rifleman said:

If the offences hadn't become public, the Conservative party would have done nothing about it. For years, the Chief Whip's office kept files on every Tory MP's pecadilloes that would have made J Edgar proud. These were used to blackmail MPs into voting the "right" way.

And the one missing in the list above is that Boris Johnson’s eventual fall was sparked by him appointing a known sexual predator to the No2 position in the Whip’s office. 
 

The Conservative party would t have done anything about this if it hadn’t gone public and that hadn’t just lost an entire government over the same issue.

[rifleman 61]

Yesterday on the BBC, the most accurate description of the current Conservative government:

"The ringmaster has left the circus and now the lions are eating the clowns."

[Phil1111 908]

UK bond markets are skating in dangerous territory. The BOE is currently conducting emergency bond buying to keep liquidity(functioning) moving. They now also include inflation indexed bonds.

"Dysfunction in this market, and the prospect of self-reinforcing ‘fire sale’ dynamics pose a material risk to UK financial stability,” the bank said in a statement Tuesday." Daily limits on bond purchases moved up to $11 billion US.

[kallend 1,620]

Having shot itself in the foot with Brexit, it seems the UK believes the cure is to shoot itself in the head..

[Phil1111 908]

5 minutes ago, kallend said:

Having shot itself in the foot with Brexit, it seems the UK believes the cure is to shoot itself in the head..

Thats about the size of things. Look at the German Bunds markets. They are dealing with unprecedented energy problems effecting every sector of its export driven economy. Yet they have no issues and an orderly market.

[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

Having shot itself in the foot with Brexit, it seems the UK believes the cure is to shoot itself in the head..

Hi John,

What is equally dumb are the Brits who did not want to leave the Eu but then voted for Brexit and later said, 'I know I voted for it but I never thought it would pass.'

Jerry Baumchen

Edited October 12, 2022 by JerryBaumchen

[jakee 1,254]

14 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi John,

What is equally dumb are the Brits who did not want to leave the Eu but then voted for Brexit and later said, 'I know I voted for it but I never thought it would pass.'

Jerry Baumchen

I don’t think there could be more than a handful of those. I was amazed when the results came through but it was always going to be close.

[ryoder 1,380]

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

I don’t think there could be more than a handful of those. I was amazed when the results came through but it was always going to be close.

But also, how many people were so accustomed to living under the EU, that they didn't even understand all the changes that would occur after leaving.

News reports I was reading convinced me that between all the protest votes, and the ignorance votes, a second referendum would have gone the opposite way by a large margin.

[jakee 1,254]

52 minutes ago, ryoder said:

But also, how many people were so accustomed to living under the EU, that they didn't even understand all the changes that would occur after leaving.

News reports I was reading convinced me that between all the protest votes, and the ignorance votes, a second referendum would have gone the opposite way by a large margin.

This is the absurdity of the whole situation, and without living though it I don’t think you can fully appreciate how much utter fantasy was being thrown around by the Leave campaign. Essentially, whatever you wanted from Brexit, some faction of some organisation would tell you that’s what you’d have. Want to stay in the single market? Of course we will! Want to leave the single market? Of course we will! Want to get rid of freedom of movement? Of course we will! But still want to go on a booze cruise to France with no additional admin? Of course you can! There were so many completely contradictory promises flying around about what happened was going to happen it should have been obvious to anyone not in a coma that no one really had a clue what would happen.

I would be pretty confident that at least half the leave voters would have wanted a significantly softer brexit than the one we ended up with, but after the result May’s government steered fully over to the hardest leave position on everything and we abandoned a huge amount of mutually beneficial arrangements that we could have had while not being fully in the EU. Despite the result being barely better than 50-50, despite most of the leave voters not wanting to leave everything, May decided that the referendum result meant that the most extreme anti-Europe voices should be in complete control of the entire process and everyone else should sit down and shut up. And then at every step they blamed anything that stopped working on ‘the negativity coming from the remainers.’ Fucking unbelievable.

 

But even then there was a vote. Truss is in the midst of a radical upheaval not only of the economy as we know it but of her own party’s manifesto that was presented to the public at the last election - and we have had no say in it at all. 

Populist rhetoric without the popularity - Liz Truss’s recipe for failure

These popularity ratings for someone who is still refusing to reconsider any part of her radical financial plan say it all.

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by jakee

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4 hours ago, jakee said:

This is the absurdity of the whole situation, and without living though it I don’t think you can fully appreciate how much utter fantasy was being thrown around by the Leave campaign. Essentially, whatever you wanted from Brexit, some faction of some organisation would tell you that’s what you’d have. Want to stay in the single market? Of course we will! Want to leave the single market? Of course we will! Want to get rid of freedom of movement? Of course we will! But still want to go on a booze cruise to France with no additional admin? Of course you can! There were so many completely contradictory promises flying around about what happened was going to happen it should have been obvious to anyone not in a coma that no one really had a clue what would happen.

I would be pretty confident that at least half the leave voters would have wanted a significantly softer brexit than the one we ended up with, but after the result May’s government steered fully over to the hardest leave position on everything and we abandoned a huge amount of mutually beneficial arrangements that we could have had while not being fully in the EU. Despite the result being barely better than 50-50, despite most of the leave voters not wanting to leave everything, May decided that the referendum result meant that the most extreme anti-Europe voices should be in complete control of the entire process and everyone else should sit down and shut up. And then at every step they blamed anything that stopped working on ‘the negativity coming from the remainers.’ Fucking unbelievable.

 

But even then there was a vote. Truss is in the midst of a radical upheaval not only of the economy as we know it but of her own party’s manifesto that was presented to the public at the last election - and we have had no say in it at all. 

Populist rhetoric without the popularity - Liz Truss’s recipe for failure

These popularity ratings for someone who is still refusing to reconsider any part of her radical financial plan say it all.

 

And YouGov was founded by the Tory Nadhim Zahawi....

Edited October 13, 2022 by squiffy

[Bokdrol 40]

On 10/12/2022 at 2:10 PM, kallend said:

Having shot itself in the foot with Brexit, it seems the UK believes the cure is to shoot itself in the head..

We have a history of shooting ourselves in the foot, and head, in the UK. We get rid of world class leaders and replace them with dross, and then live to regret it. A lot of what we believe to be 'accurate' is simply drivel, sorry I mean driven, by the press and by social media experts. For sure, we're going to do it again - it's nothing new. As I type, our C of the E is coming back to the UK to actually blow his own head off. And for the record, (and for Stumpy who loves to fire a few at me lol) I'm one of those 'dumb Brits' who voted for Brexit but am still dumb and thick skinned enough to vote for it again and again - a bit like Momma's Squeeze Box.  

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24 minutes ago, Bokdrol said:

We have a history of shooting ourselves in the foot, and head, in the UK. We get rid of world class leaders and replace them with dross, and then live to regret it. A lot of what we believe to be 'accurate' is simply drivel, sorry I mean driven, by the press and by social media experts. For sure, we're going to do it again - it's nothing new. As I type, our C of the E is coming back to the UK to actually blow his own head off. And for the record, (and for Stumpy who loves to fire a few at me lol) I'm one of those 'dumb Brits' who voted for Brexit but am still dumb and thick skinned enough to vote for it again and again - a bit like Momma's Squeeze Box.  

Well, very real money is being lost every time, so hopefully at some point people learn something...or run out of money.

[jakee 1,254]

1 hour ago, Bokdrol said:

We have a history of shooting ourselves in the foot, and head, in the UK. We get rid of world class leaders and replace them with dross, 

Who would that be, exactly?

 

[Bokdrol 40]

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

Who would that be, exactly?

 

Churchill, Thatcher and now Bojo,  the latter if you concentrate on the leadership aspect. Naturally, supporters of Comrade Corbyn will disagree. Don't forget, the man who is often revered as the greatest of all POTUS', JFK, was a human being who had his peccadillos and would have struggled with today's sm and forensic press generation where even someone with one brain cell and a cellphone or a keyboard is an expert with a 'valid' pov.

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17 minutes ago, Bokdrol said:

Naturally, supporters of Comrade Corbyn will disagree.

As someone who voted for Corbyn in the leadership contest, I'm actually glad he didn't win the GE after what happened to Ukraine (I didn't vote in the GE)

However, Labour and their supporters have nothing to do with Bojo getting kicked out - his own MPs did that after they got tired of him lying to them.

20 minutes ago, Bokdrol said:

today's sm and forensic press generation

young people actually don't use social media for politics and have fled the usual social media channels, so it's unfair to blame them. Facebook is full of older people now.