Excuses for the FBI search

[ryoder 1,380]

Ooh! We have a new excuse!

Maggie Haberman: Trump Source Blames Meadows for Not Returning Documents Before Leaving Office

[jakee 1,254]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:43 PM, Faicon9493 said:

Having said all that, I have some questions:
1. Did Donald Trump come up with the list of documents that were taken on his own?
2. Who was the person he dispatched to retrieve these records?
3. Who signed for the release of these records?
4. Did the request for these records raise red flags? If yes, why wasn’t it reported?
5. Who organized and packaged these records for transportation to Florida?
6. Who unpacked these records and took them to the place where they were kept?

The problem with these questions is that they literally can't be applied to the chaos that was the Trump White House. Like the very first one... you think there was a list? They were carting boxes of files out, in a panic, because they suddenly realised 2.5 months after losing the election that they were going to have to leave the Oval Office. 

And requests for records - as it stands it seems like many of these files were accumulated over long periods of time from briefings that were given to Trump. Now, if you give the President of the United States, in the Oval Office, a briefing folder and he tears out a couple of pages which he says he wants to read later, who in the room can tell him no?

Edited August 16, 2022 by jakee

[jakee 1,254]

40 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Even Trump might be able to claim innocence: What? Seriously? No one ever told me no or to stop it or else! If you need to blame anyone blame my advisors! And it might just work.

Hopefully, continuing to hold on to them in his own house for months after they were suboenaed while claiming to have already returned anything relevant should stick a fork in that one.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

20 minutes ago, jakee said:

Hopefully, continuing to hold on to them in his own house for months after they were suboenaed while claiming to have already returned anything relevant should stick a fork in that one.

When you're down to hopefully you're down to the quality of your defense lawyers. Don't anyone for a second believe there isn't wiggle room in this.

[gowlerk 1,901]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

No one ever told me no or to stop it or else! If you need to blame anyone blame my advisors! And it might just work.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless you are part of the powerful elite that is.

[headoverheels 291]

3 hours ago, Faicon9493 said:

His speech wasn't classified.

It wasn't classy, either.

[ryoder 1,380]

Mark Lombardo is running in the FL primary against Matt Gaetz. Guess who he is accusing of being the Mar-A-Lago Mole:

 

[yoink 321]

Hey. Sanity check time. This is where we are.

This is a tweet from a professional politician advocating murder of federal agents. FBI, IRS, ATF, whatever.

If you can read this tweet and not go ‘however we got here, it’s fucked up and it needs to stop’ then you’re part of the problem.

 

 

[billvon 2,379]

16 hours ago, ryoder said:

Mark Lombardo is running in the FL primary against Matt Gaetz. Guess who he is accusing of being the Mar-A-Lago Mole:

 

Funny.

News: "Matt Gaetz under investigation for trafficking in underage girls for purposes of sex."
Republicans: "BORING.  Witch hunt.  Hunter Biden's laptop.  No evidence."

News: "Matt Gaetz is weak in his worship of Trump."
Republicans: "WHAAAAT?  That is unconscionable!  Immoral!  Why, even the accusation is enough to disqualify him!"

[Phil1111 901]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

Funny.

News: "Matt Gaetz under investigation for trafficking in underage girls for purposes of sex."
Republicans: "BORING.  Witch hunt.  Hunter Biden's laptop.  No evidence."

News: "Matt Gaetz is weak in his worship of Trump."
Republicans: "WHAAAAT?  That is unconscionable!  Immoral!  Why, even the accusation is enough to disqualify him!"

GOP contortions of the mind are akin to a snake getting tased.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

GOP contortions of the mind are akin to a snake getting tased.

They're a clever bunch, that's for certain.

Bo Hines, the 26-year-old Republican nominee for North Carolina’s 13th District:

“A lot of people have likened the situation going on right now, is, you know, they say we’re in a banana republic,” Hines said on a radio show. “I think that’s an insult to Banana Republics across the country. I mean, at least the manager of Banana Republic, unlike our president, knows where he is and why he’s there and what he’s doing.” 

Of course, when it was explained to him he said he was just making a funny. It's a joke, alright.

[jakee 1,254]

14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

“I think that’s an insult to Banana Republics across the country.

At least he admits that's what the gerrymandered, unrepresentative red state assemblies are.

[Phil1111 901]

5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

They're a clever bunch, that's for certain....

From another trump endorsed GOP wannabe: "Former Giants running back Herschel Walker is skeptical about evolution.

The Georgia senate candidate shared his confusion during a Sunday visit to Sugar Hill Church in Georgia. His inquiry came just under an hour into a service that lasted roughly 82 minutes.

“At one time, science said man came from apes, did it not?” Walker asked churchgoers. But Walker seems to be under the impression scientists believe modern-day apes turn into people. “If that is true, why are there still apes?” the Republican candidate wondered. “Think about it.”

There is a reason why trump endorsed these two men. They appeal to his base and 'I love the poorly educated'

Edited August 20, 2022 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 2,294]

18 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

From another trump endorsed GOP wannabe: "Former Giants running back Herschel Walker is skeptical about evolution.

The Georgia senate candidate shared his confusion during a Sunday visit to Sugar Hill Church in Georgia. His inquiry came just under an hour into a service that lasted roughly 82 minutes.

“At one time, science said man came from apes, did it not?” Walker asked churchgoers. But Walker seems to be under the impression scientists believe modern-day apes turn into people. “If that is true, why are there still apes?” the Republican candidate wondered. “Think about it.”

There is a reason why trump endorsed these to men. They appeal to his base and 'I love the poorly educated'

After the last several years I too am skeptical about evolution. Devolution, not so much.

[wolfriverjoe 1,339]

23 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

After the last several years I too am skeptical about evolution. Devolution, not so much.

Oh, evolution as a theory and a process is pretty solid.

What's happened with people is that any real 'evolutionary pressure' has been removed.
For maybe 100 years, we (as a society as a whole) have made survival of everyone a priority and a goal (minus a few genocides here & there).
So 'survival of the fittest' or 'survival of the strongest' or 'survival of the most adaptable' (all three of which are important in evolution) hasn't been an issue.
So the unfit, the weak and those unwilling or unable to adapt to change have survived things that historically would have removed them from the gene pool (personally, I survived pneumonia as a kid and appendicitis - both of which would likely have killed me 150 or 200 years ago). 

Then, along comes Covid. We find out it attacks the weak. It attacks the stupid. It attacks those unwilling to do the barest minimum to prevent the spread of it. 

And well over a million people have died of it in the US alone.

Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but for the most part, after seeing the types of idiots who refuse to believe it's real, I'm not all that sad.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

10 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Oh, evolution as a theory and a process is pretty solid.

What's happened with people is that any real 'evolutionary pressure' has been removed.
For maybe 100 years, we (as a society as a whole) have made survival of everyone a priority and a goal (minus a few genocides here & there).
So 'survival of the fittest' or 'survival of the strongest' or 'survival of the most adaptable' (all three of which are important in evolution) hasn't been an issue.
So the unfit, the weak and those unwilling or unable to adapt to change have survived things that historically would have removed them from the gene pool (personally, I survived pneumonia as a kid and appendicitis - both of which would likely have killed me 150 or 200 years ago). 

Then, along comes Covid. We find out it attacks the weak. It attacks the stupid. It attacks those unwilling to do the barest minimum to prevent the spread of it. 

And well over a million people have died of it in the US alone.

Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but for the most part, after seeing the types of idiots who refuse to believe it's real, I'm not all that sad.

Thanks Joe, well explained. Now I believe in evolution, too.

[Phil1111 901]

24 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Oh, evolution as a theory and a process is pretty solid....
Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but for the most part, after seeing the types of idiots who refuse to believe it's real, I'm not all that sad.

So you're saying that evolution will gradually kill off republicans and trumpists? That there is hope?

[winsor 185]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

So you're saying that evolution will gradually kill off republicans and trumpists? That there is hope?

News flash - they're all going to die.

The Woke crowd are giving them a run for their money in the competition for the greatest wellspring of raw stupidity.

 

BSBD,

Winsor 

[wmw999 2,114]

Winsor, I think Woke is as much as anything about respect. Sometimes it's about bowing backwards to show respect, out of a feeling that respect was inadequately shown in the past. I see that as sometimes misguided when pushed too far, or when respect is demanded (especially when it's demanded for a third party), but it's still rather different from the demanding of respect for one's self of the "I define America's ethos and culture" crowd.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

45 minutes ago, winsor said:

News flash - they're all going to die.

The Woke crowd are giving them a run for their money in the competition for the greatest wellspring of raw stupidity.

 

BSBD,

Winsor 

There are extremes to wokeness as there are extremes to everything, including empathy, which is really what wokeness is for most people even if they aren't aware. Given the whirling panorama of absurdities that comprises so much of our view these days, I'm thinking that lathering on a little extra empathy sometimes may not be such a bad thing.

[lippy 764]

4 hours ago, Slim King said:

The worlds best tennis player is more of a threat than 4.9 million illegals?????    https://rumble.com/v1gul50-biden-protecting-america.html

Rumble.com is the bastard lovechild of Netflix and the Epoch Times.  Not that you're at risk of having anybody here take you seriously....

[SkyDekker 1,119]

16 hours ago, winsor said:

News flash - they're all going to die.

The Woke crowd are giving them a run for their money in the competition for the greatest wellspring of raw stupidity.

 

BSBD,

Winsor 

[Faicon9493 114]

“The FBI moved on him like a bitch. When you have probable cause, they let you do it. You can do anything. YOU CAN GRAB ‘EM BY THE EVIDENCE!” - Author Unknown

[wolfriverjoe 1,339]

20 minutes ago, Faicon9493 said:

“The FBI moved on him like a bitch. When you have probable cause, they let you do it. You can do anything. YOU CAN GRAB ‘EM BY THE EVIDENCE!” - Author Unknown

"If they can do this to Trump, they can do it to ANYONE!!!!"

 

No shit.

If they can get enough evidence that a crime was committed and there's proof that can be obtained with a search, then put together an affidavit that convinces a judge to sign off on a search warrant, then yes. They can do this to anyone...

Who commits a crime.

[wmw999 2,114]

47 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

If they can get enough evidence that a crime was committed and there's proof that can be obtained with a search, then put together an affidavit that convinces a judge to sign off on a search warrant, then yes. They can do this to anyone..

Gosh, and here I thought that was the whole point of rule by law.

Money has always been able to secure better justice, but we’re not supposed to enshrine the concept. Thanks for putting that out, Joe

Wendy P.