Fugitive Slave Act

[billvon 2,391]

Peter Breen is the vice president of the Thomas More society, a conservative legal action group.  He has been anti-abortion for quite a while.  Today he said that "just because you jump across a state line doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction.” 

He's not the only conservative to say this.  Missouri state representative Mary Coleman recently backed a law that banned women from traveling out of state for abortions, and to allow any citizen to sue anyone in a blue state who helped a woman attain one. 

The obvious question is - is this legal?  In most cases, you are subject to the laws of the state you are in.  Thus if you go to a state with a different drinking age, or a different liquor tax, or different gun laws, you heed the laws/pay the taxes in the state you are in, not the state you came from.

There is an exception - the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.  It was passed in response to free states giving safe harbor to slaves who escaped from the South.  It was a federal law that required the arrest of people who helped escaped slaves, and punished authorities in free states who would not make arrests, and also required that slaves be recaptured and returned to slave states.  

So that's the prototype that conservatives would use to arrest and jail women who travel to other states to get abortions - and people who helped them.

[wmw999 2,119]

I can hardly wait to hear the legal gymnastics to justify following that.

I hope I don't get to.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

Peter Breen is the vice president of the Thomas More society, a conservative legal action group.  He has been anti-abortion for quite a while.  Today he said that "just because you jump across a state line doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction.” 

He's not the only conservative to say this.  Missouri state representative Mary Coleman recently backed a law that banned women from traveling out of state for abortions, and to allow any citizen to sue anyone in a blue state who helped a woman attain one. 

The obvious question is - is this legal?  In most cases, you are subject to the laws of the state you are in.  Thus if you go to a state with a different drinking age, or a different liquor tax, or different gun laws, you heed the laws/pay the taxes in the state you are in, not the state you came from.

There is an exception - the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.  It was passed in response to free states giving safe harbor to slaves who escaped from the South.  It was a federal law that required the arrest of people who helped escaped slaves, and punished authorities in free states who would not make arrests, and also required that slaves be recaptured and returned to slave states.  

So that's the prototype that conservatives would use to arrest and jail women who travel to other states to get abortions - and people who helped them.

Hi Bill,

And, drowning people will still grab at straws.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

14 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I can hardly wait to hear the legal gymnastics to justify following that.

I hope I don't get to.

Wendy P.

I have very little doubt that the current Supreme Court would have zero issues justifying that.

Given the three major decisions the past couple weeks, they have no scruples, no restraint and no shame. None at all.

[kallend 1,622]

Don't call it "slavery", it's "involuntary relocation".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/01/texas-board-education-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

 

[JoeWeber 2,297]

32 minutes ago, kallend said:

Don't call it "slavery", it's "involuntary relocation".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/01/texas-board-education-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

 

But was it involuntary? That's the problem with history, it's so long ago that memories can't be trusted. For all we know they wanted to come and still owe us for the boat ride.

[jakee 1,254]

9 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

But was it involuntary? That's the problem with history, it's so long ago that memories can't be trusted. For all we know they wanted to come and still owe us for the boat ride.

 

[SkyDekker 1,121]

On 7/1/2022 at 3:19 PM, JoeWeber said:

But was it involuntary? That's the problem with history, it's so long ago that memories can't be trusted. For all we know they wanted to come and still owe us for the boat ride.

Canada is way ahead of you.....

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/11/01/did-a-childrens-textbook-say-canadas-first-nations-moved/