brenthutch 383 #1 Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/01/electric-bus-catches-fire-after-battery-explosion/ Imagine being on this bus if it was crowded and had a wheelchair or two onboard and the electric doors didn’t work because the batteries that powered them was busy burning you to death. Edited May 2, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #2 May 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Imagine being on this bus if it was crowded and had a wheelchair or two onboard and the electric doors didn’t work because the battery that powered them was busy burning you to death. Imagine being ignorant enough to think electric vehicles only have one battery... Only May 2 and we have a candidate for stupidest post of the month... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #3 May 2, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, olofscience said: Imagine being ignorant enough to think electric vehicles only have one battery... Only May 2 and we have a candidate for stupidest post of the month... “In the images, we can see a small explosion occur on the roof of the bus, where the batteries are located, followed by huge flames that spread to the entire body, at breakneck speed.” It is only May 2nd, and while your post is misinformed it’s not all that stupid. The month is young, give yourself some time. Edited May 2, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #4 May 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, brenthutch said: “In the images, we can see a small explosion occur on the roof of the bus, where the batteries are located, followed by huge flames that spread to the entire body, at breakneck speed.” Yep, that sentence definitely had enough detail differentiating between the traction and auxiliary batteries, battery cells vs packs, and that sentence also basically stated that there was a single point of failure, and that of course all of this got through the safety regulators because they're all raging lefties. That's what you read, right? All because they used "batteries" rather than "battery". I think at this point I'm just substituting for a therapist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #5 May 2, 2022 Good job gas and diesel powered buses never catch fire: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS762US762&q=bus+fires&tbm=isch&chips=q:bus+fires,g_1:school:1ZvRQL9e53w%3D&usg=AI4_-kSzfB73I10afpAzv1P_rCl-jM1DFw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwlPnJ7cD3AhWjIzQIHR2bBO0QgIoDKAB6BAgkEAk&biw=1164&bih=581&dpr=1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #6 May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/01/electric-bus-catches-fire-after-battery-explosion/ Imagine being on this bus if it was crowded and had a wheelchair or two onboard and the electric doors didn’t work because the battery that powered them was busy burning you to death. Do normal buses have electrical systems that are somehow immune to flames? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #7 May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, kallend said: Good job gas and diesel powered buses never catch fire: Years ago, I was actually on a (diesel) bus that caught fire. I was on the top level. We evacuated to another bus, and from there I took this photo: Brent really, really wants us to be scared of electric buses and cars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #8 May 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, olofscience said: Years ago, I was actually on a (diesel) bus that caught fire. I was on the top level. We evacuated to another bus, and from there I took this photo: Brent really, really wants us to be scared of electric buses and cars. He wants to troll you. It's a violation of forum rules but no-one cares. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #9 May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, jakee said: Do normal buses have electrical systems that are somehow immune to flames? Yet the French grounded their E Busses and not their diesel fleet. BTW did you see how quickly the E-bus fire spread? Five seconds from smoke to conflagration. Olof’s experience shows how much safer diesel busses are. He had time to get off of the burning bus (second level no less) get on another bus, pull out his phone and take a picture of a fire that was still largely confined to the engine compartment. Thanks Olof! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #10 May 2, 2022 45 dead in gas bus fire: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bulgaria-bus-accident-fire-children-young-people-deaths-survivors/ 10 dead in gas bus fire: https://nypost.com/2022/04/13/10-killed-in-gruesome-tourist-bus-crash-in-egypt/ Gas causes 52 deaths in burning bus: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/18/kazakhstan-bus-fire-kills-people-uzbekistan Gas bus incinerates all 26 people on board; fire leaves only "charred skeletons": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/19/tourist-bus-fire-taiwan-deaths Conclusion here seems clear. If you want to survive, make sure the bus you are taking doesn't use fossil fuels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #11 May 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Olof’s experience shows how much safer diesel busses are. How many people have died in diesel bus fires? Hundreds. At least 45 people - including 12 children - have been killed after a bus caught fire on a highway in western Bulgaria Two children among 35 dead in Chinese tour bus fire 26 dead in tour bus blaze EV buses? Zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #12 May 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Yet the French grounded their E Busses and not their diesel fleet. Vehicles get recalled on a regular basis for safety issues that are identified. It isn't a flaw of electric vehicles, it is a design feature of vehicle production. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #13 May 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Yet the French grounded their E Busses and not their diesel fleet. "Navistar Inc. is recalling more than 50,000 trucks and buses because an electric fuel heater in a Cummins' medium-duty diesel engine used in school buses, trucks and emergency vehicles could overheat, causing plastic in the fuel heater to melt and potentially catch fire." https://www.yahoo.com/video/cummins-melting-fuel-heater-leads-162242817.html#:~:text=Navistar Inc. is recalling more,melt and potentially catch fire. "Navistar is recalling 15,500 school buses over a fire risk." https://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/26/15-500-navistar-school-busses-recalled-over-fire-possibility/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAN6ZFAPZBcGKpeElfxMVbc5OWWRYCrIBUTRpjIxR8p9wwNENsZEQUYcRdNx4KyO9OkTwwBfh-nnkenLCgv_ceJpTif60HYcXiRXOD_RISFI14sYVblpwySlbs6kOiM5IqdgyQMtev9h6CBCg9WFEG_7HLND3qbAC8pvU6A51zDFq "Blue Bird school buses included in three separate recalls involving serious fire hazards, seat collapse, & steering loss defects that may endanger children." https://www.schmidtandclark.com/blue-bird-school-bus-recall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #14 May 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, billvon said: 45 dead in gas bus fire: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bulgaria-bus-accident-fire-children-young-people-deaths-survivors/ 10 dead in gas bus fire: https://nypost.com/2022/04/13/10-killed-in-gruesome-tourist-bus-crash-in-egypt/ Gas causes 52 deaths in burning bus: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/18/kazakhstan-bus-fire-kills-people-uzbekistan Gas bus incinerates all 26 people on board; fire leaves only "charred skeletons": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/19/tourist-bus-fire-taiwan-deaths Conclusion here seems clear. If you want to survive, make sure the bus you are taking doesn't use fossil fuels. Every example you cited involved a crash. The E-bus exploded all by itself, no crash required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #15 May 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Every example you cited involved a crash. The E-bus exploded all by itself, no crash required. Yep. Gas buses crash and catch fire. Or they catch fire and crash. Or they just catch on fire. If you want to survive a bus ride, again the conclusion is clear - avoid fossil fuel buses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #16 May 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Every example you cited involved a crash. The E-bus exploded all by itself, no crash required. The crashes could have happened after the fire. The articles themselves say so. (EDIT: of course brent didn't read all the articles - he could barely read titles - in fact most of the articles showed fires BEFORE crashes, or no crashes at all.) The bus I was in burned all by itself, no crash required. Edited May 2, 2022 by olofscience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #17 May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, olofscience said: Years ago, I was actually on a (diesel) bus that caught fire. I was on the top level. We evacuated to another bus, and from there I took this photo: Brent really, really wants us to be scared of electric buses and cars. Seriously? Was this your first attempt at a selfie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #18 May 2, 2022 8 hours ago, olofscience said: The bus I was in burned all by itself, no crash required. Thank goodness you were in a diesel. Had you been in an E-Bus, you would have been a goner, and Speaker’s Corner would not be nearly as entertaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #19 May 3, 2022 Odd that you're so fearful of an EV bus fire, yet you're almost orgasmic over the dumpster fire Trump had going in the White House. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #20 May 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said: Odd that you're so fearful of an EV bus fire, yet you're almost orgasmic over the dumpster fire Trump had going in the White House. Are you kidding? He LOVES bus EV fires. It gives him something to feel happy about. His only regret was that no one was killed - because then he could make a better slam out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #21 May 3, 2022 9 hours ago, brenthutch said: Thank goodness you were in a diesel. Try telling that to the relatives of the hundreds of diesel bus fire victims who died. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #22 May 3, 2022 8 hours ago, GeorgiaDon said: Odd that you're so fearful of an EV bus fire, yet you're almost orgasmic over the dumpster fire Trump had going in the White House. I don’t ride buses. I brought this to everyone’s attention as a public service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #23 May 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: I don’t ride buses. I brought this to everyone’s attention as a public service. Wow, what would vehicle safety engineers ever do without brent? Have you added "vehicle safety expert" to your CV (which presumably already includes "NOAA press release re-interpreter")? In other news, here's a puppy with a bigger contribution to public service than that: Edited May 3, 2022 by olofscience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #24 May 19, 2022 Hmmm:https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/ford-recalls-39000-us-suvs-after-engine-fire-reports/ Not even electrics! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites