Phil1111 910 #1 Posted March 4, 2022 "A former Fox News producer was charged on Thursday with violating U.S. sanctions by working for a Russian oligarch who has been accused of being a leading financial supporter of separatists in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and has close ties to President Vladimir V. Putin." Its just too bad that the US justice dept stopped there. Murdoch, and Sean Hannity haven't been investigated. Speaking of which. Has anyone heard trump condemn the attack on Ukraine, or Putin? Or is that a dumb question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #2 March 4, 2022 Produced Hannity's show....shocker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #3 March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Phil1111 said: "A former Fox News producer was charged on Thursday with violating U.S. sanctions by working for a Russian oligarch who has been accused of being a leading financial supporter of separatists in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and has close ties to President Vladimir V. Putin." Up next - "Of COURSE republicans don't support Russia! The very idea is just a liberal witch hunt." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #4 March 5, 2022 15 hours ago, billvon said: Up next - "Of COURSE republicans don't support Russia! The very idea is just a liberal witch hunt." I have worked with a very large number of Ukrainians over the years, and I can't think of any Democrats amongst them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #5 March 5, 2022 17 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Speaking of which. Has anyone heard trump condemn the attack on Ukraine, or Putin? Or is that a dumb question. Yes he has, but you wont find it reported in the lefty US media as it doesn't fit their narrative for Trump. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all" . Perhaps much like some other members here who have disregarded the left-wing nutters that support Russia, found a small handful of right-wing nutters that support Russia, even falsely asserted that a particular R supports Russia and seem to absurdly infer that R's, as general rule, support Russia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #6 March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, metalslug said: Yes he has, but you wont find it reported in the lefty US media as it doesn't fit their narrative for Trump. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all" . Perhaps much like some other members here who have disregarded the left-wing nutters that support Russia, found a small handful of right-wing nutters that support Russia, even falsely asserted that a particular R supports Russia and seem to absurdly infer that R's, as general rule, support Russia. Thanks for that. I only get my news from BBC,CBC,ABC,NBC,CBC,France 24,DW, Haaretz and a couple others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #7 March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Thanks for that. I only get my news from BBC,CBC,ABC,NBC,CBC,France 24,DW, Haaretz and a couple others. Pity you missed it then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,904 #8 March 5, 2022 4 hours ago, winsor said: I have worked with a very large number of Ukrainians over the years, and I can't think of any Democrats amongst them. Were they Americans or Ukrainians? What are you saying here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,904 #9 March 5, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, metalslug said: Yes he has, but you wont find it reported in the lefty US media as it doesn't fit their narrative for Trump. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all" . Yes, after the invasion started Trump was quick to let the world know that "he is sure there are good people on both sides". But seriously, even the orange demon has sniffed the wind and called for mad dog Vlad to back down. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/596484-trump-calls-the-russian-invasion-a-holocaust-urges-russia-to-stop Edited March 5, 2022 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #10 March 5, 2022 3 hours ago, gowlerk said: Were they Americans or Ukrainians? What are you saying here? They were his black Ukrainian female friends who all happen to be completely opposed to wokeness, liberalism, paid maternity leave and whatever else you might suggest because of course they are. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #11 March 5, 2022 6 hours ago, metalslug said: Perhaps much like some other members here who have disregarded the left-wing nutters that support Russia, found a small handful of right-wing nutters that support Russia, even falsely asserted that a particular R supports Russia and seem to absurdly infer that R's, as general rule, support Russia. Yeah, I mean on the right you've got major, popular media personalities, politicians and numerous staffers, advisors and appointees of the previous administration. On the left you've got a redneck communist from Buttfuck Nowhere, TX. It's completely the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #12 March 5, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, metalslug said: Yes he has, but you wont find it reported in the lefty US media as it doesn't fit their narrative for Trump. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all" . Perhaps much like some other members here who have disregarded the left-wing nutters that support Russia, found a small handful of right-wing nutters that support Russia, even falsely asserted that a particular R supports Russia and seem to absurdly infer that R's, as general rule, support Russia. Esper was partly fired for focusing on Russia too much. Trump's nominee for Ambassador to Germany supports Putin's invasion of Ukraine and advocated for the US to leave NATO. (he also advocated for a military coup in France...and hinted at one in the US) Bolton has stated Trump was going to withdraw the US from NATO. One has to wonder why and how Trump got so focused on Ukraine and how they were "hiding" Clinton's server...... Edited March 5, 2022 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #13 March 5, 2022 12 hours ago, metalslug said: Yes he has, but you wont find it reported in the lefty US media as it doesn't fit their narrative for Trump. "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all" . Good that he condemned the attack. He has complimented Putin on the invasion in the past; is he now condemning him as well? Or is it more of a "the Russian attack is appalling; Putin's generals are incompetent" sort of thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #14 March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, billvon said: Good that he condemned the attack. He has complimented Putin on the invasion in the past; is he now condemning him as well? Or is it more of a "the Russian attack is appalling; Putin's generals are incompetent" sort of thing? Other than referring to Putin as 'genius' and 'savvy', what were the other comments that specifically complimented the invasion action ? A compliment to one's adversary is really not uncommon , it doesn't imply that one wishes them victory or success. That Trump would refer to Biden as 'weak', to me, is worse than complimenting Putin, as that's a partisan smear of his own country for domestic political points in the face of a foreign danger. I have said many times on this forum that I think Trump is an arse, but that position doesn't merit making stuff up about him or intentionally hiding (not publishing) any positive comments he might make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #15 March 6, 2022 5 hours ago, billvon said: Or is it more of a "the Russian attack is appalling; Putin's generals are incompetent" sort of thing? Which one fits your narrative for Trump? Let's look at the whole line; "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all." Are you seeing the answer to your question yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #16 March 6, 2022 15 hours ago, metalslug said: Which one fits your narrative for Trump? Let's look at the whole line; "The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all." Are you seeing the answer to your question yet? Nope. No mention of Putin. Do you have an example of Trump attacking him for masterminding this invasion? Because right now the only evidence we have is that he thinks the ATTACK (not Putin) is appalling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #17 March 7, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, billvon said: Nope. No mention of Putin. Do you have an example of Trump attacking him for masterminding this invasion? Because right now the only evidence we have is that he thinks the ATTACK (not Putin) is appalling. The narrative of the right on the Putin invasion is appalling. I was on a big US gun website on the weekend and the forums are filled with anti-US b.s. "Russia had a right to be pissed off because the US was building chemical and biological weapons facilities. Right on the Russian border". Fake posts of how CNN is covering the news. CNN "reporting that the Chernobyl reactor could be used as a dirty war weapon". "The war is Biden's fault for failing to arm Ukraine". On and on. If Russian trolls want to spread miss-information. US gun forums are a good place to start. Because politically speaking brains get parked when people enter. Edited March 7, 2022 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #18 March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: The narrative of the right on the Putin invasion is appalling. I was on a big US gun website on the weekend and the forums are filled with anti-US b.s. "Russia had a right to be pissed off because the US was building chemical and biological weapons facilities. Right on the Russian border". Fake posts of how CNN is covering the news. CNN "reporting that the Chernobyl reactor could be used as a dirty war weapon". "The war is Biden's fault for failing to arm Ukraine". On and on. If Russian trolls want to spread miss-information. US gun forums are a good place to start. Because politically speaking brains get parked when people enter. Yep. Russia understands the value of propaganda - and they put a lot of effort into supporting propaganda (like the above) that weakens the US desire to protect Ukraine. Hence the Tucker Carlsons and the Trumps and the Pompeos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #19 March 7, 2022 20 hours ago, billvon said: Nope. No mention of Putin. Do you have an example of Trump attacking him for masterminding this invasion? Because right now the only evidence we have is that he thinks the ATTACK (not Putin) is appalling. He followed it up this weekend by suggesting the US commit a war crime by sending in US planes with Chinese markings, bomb Russian targets in Ukraine and then sit back and watch Russia and China fight each other. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites